I may not have been clear on that (no pun intended.)

The finishes I saw that failed consistently were almost all clear coated.

As Bob will probably concur, the damage the sun can do to any finish down here 
is pretty amazing.

On a related note, I have a friend who has a cattle ranch out in a rural part 
of the county. Right next door to them is a state university site where they 
test paint finishes for environmental exposure.  They have this area with all 
of these panels with paint samples on them that are left out in the elements 
for years to see how they're affected.


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Do you think my '83 had been repainted? I'd thought it would have had a 
> single stage paint. I seem to remember this argument going around before...
> -Curt
>      From: Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" <d...@penoff.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
> When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
> lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and 
> "courtesy repaints."
> I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
> premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
> be far less common.
> This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
> black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
> coated.
> Dan
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years 
>> old with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger 
>> CC was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
>> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
>> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't 
>> see a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
>> around LA all the time...
>> -Curt
>>       From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
>> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
>> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
>> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
>> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
>> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
>> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in 
>> warm environments.  A blue was more pastel, red


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