I agree in principle with Floyd. I would not have used the badass term, but its not in my vocabulary. I'd say all-American men with the grit to do the dirty work that has to be done regardless of the hazards. 19 words that pretty much mean how badass is used now. Floyd is much more efficient.

WILTON via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 15, 2016 at 6:15 PM
I've never thought of myself as any sort of "badass," but I'll take it as a
compliment.

Those WW II bomber crews have always been my heroes. I've never thought I
could be as tough and brave as they were to endure the cold, noisy,
un-pressurized cabins and wearing oxygen masks for hours on every mission and keep going back day-after-day for months against relentless fighter attacks.
By contrast, 72 of my bombing missions to Vietnam were very routine and
flown in relative comfort of "shirt-sleeve" conditions of pressurized,
heated cabin against un-defended targets and very little chance of any
opposition.  It was only on the last 6 of my missions over a period of 11
days that mine got "very interesting."  Just like those guys of WW II,
though, we mere merely doing our duty and what we were very well trained to
do with confidence and faith that we would survive.  'Always sad to
remember, though, that 30 of my B-52 comrades did not survive.

Still lots of flooding in South part of town along Neuse River and along a creek
through town.  Many people in shelters.  Some areas still without power.
Don't know the number, but the number of homes and businesses in the county (Wayne) is very significant.

Wilt

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM
That's awesome. I think you are pretty much a badass for strapping on a Buff and flying into some nasty stuff, but these guys were even more badass, not having "modern" gadgets and radar and sensors and such, and flying beat-up patched-up planes on those missions every day. Seems like air war then was a lot less "stand-off" than it is today, again not to diminish in any way the guys who do that stuff now but it just seems like it so much more up close and visceral. Just hearing some stories from my pilot neighbor was hair-raising (and I have no hair! Well, I guess I had a bit then...). I think I mentioned too, my uncle was on the USS Bush that got kamikazeed and sunk, he survived after floating around in the water for quite a while. "It was just what we did" he says. unh huh. I think he just passed 90yo and is still going pretty strong so I guess he had some good mojo going on that day too.

BTW how are y'all doing up there with the flooding? Saw some pics of Kinston and around there and it was really bad. Real bad down here in SC in some places too, right now the rivers are flooding from all the runoff, that takes several days to work itself down to the ocean. Full moon high tides this weekend are not helping. Seems like it is even worse than a year ago.

--R




WILTON via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 15, 2016 at 1:24 PM
'Reminds me: I was in 8th Air Force at Robins AF, GA, and here at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC.

Lt. Gen. Frank Armstrong, from my hometown, Nashville, NC (born 15 or 20 mi. away, but claimed Nashville, where his sister lived), helped establish 8th Air Force in England in 1942.

The movie, "Twelve O'Clock High," is based on his actions. His part, Frank Savage in the movie, is played by Gregory Peck.

I met 'im sitting on his sister's front porch one afternoon in 'bout 1948.

Wilton

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Max Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM
Thanks for posting! I think there is a museum for The Mighty Eighth off of I-95 down in Florida. I've often been tempted to stop there, that temptation is now greater.
Curley McLain <mailto:126die...@gmail.com>
October 14, 2016 at 4:49 AM
Was an bombing mission which incurred record losses, and Oct 14 became know as Black Thursday.

http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-eighth-air-force-raid-on-schweinfurt.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Raid_on_Schweinfurt

60 of 291 planes were lost, and another 17 were so badly damaged that they were scrapped ofter the mission. 22% of the men on the raid were lost.

Remember today, the men of the USAAF who flow those missions and especially those who were lost.



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