On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 16:55:32 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Pretty much what Craig says,  The only real detail if it mattered would
> be the method of engagement. The traditional method, using a solenoid
> to switch the high current, is by far the most common.

Yes, I forgot about that Ford design, which moved the contactor function
out of the solenoid into a separate starter relay.

That design does not apply to Mercedes and likely not to Toyota.


Craig


> Ford had a design that I don’t think is in use any more that used a
> heavy laminated armature that engaged the Bendix drive rather than a
> linear solenoid.  It was known as  “movable pole shoe” design.  It
> eliminated the solenoid and fed high current directly to the starter
> through a relay.  There was a “pole shoe” or for lack of a better
> description a large flat armature that was hinged at the drive end of
> the starter.  When current started to flow in the starter windings, the
> magnetic field from the starter windings pulled the pole shoe in
> against the windings, which pushed the Bendix drive out, engaging the
> flywheel.
> 
> Like this:
> 
> http://autosystempro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Positive-engagement-starters-use-a-moveable-pole-shoe.jpg
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Starter function is generally generic?
> > Solenoid, starter motor, connection to battery and grounded to engine.
> > Usual to have a heavy braided wire from solenoid to starter motor.  Is
> > the braid positive? since the motor body is grounded at motor.  What
> > would cause the braid to disintegrate?  Yes, IL rust.  Stalled burned
> > motor? Stalled or burned solenoid?  And, Toyota.  Anyone?
> > Thanks.
> > Pepper jam for Kaleb.
> > tin.man

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