Stories from a great teacher. My audience is,a bit more,captive but i still
see some of these behaviors

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 7:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> As a technical trainer for a corporate entity you get to experience some
> of the worst possible students:
>
> 1.) Someone who has been doing the job/work who thinks they know more than
> you and wants to point it out every chance they get; or,
>
> 2.) The employee who has been forced to attend, like it or not, and
> doesn’t want to be there.
>
> When I was doing training these didn’t happen too often, but they did
> happen.
>
> #1 was usually the one who sat in the front of the class and constantly
> interrupted you to bring attention to their “superior" knowledge. In
> fairness there were times when a student might know more than I did for
> whatever reason, and I looked to that as a learning experience for me. I
> dealt wth these guys in two ways:
>
> Acknowledge them in front of the class and let them know that if they had
> questions or wanted information they could speak with me during a break,
> and that their questions were good but weren’t relevant to the material at
> that time. The other students usually resented this student for being a
> d*ck in general, more often than not.
>
> Take them aside during a break and tell them to take notes of their
> questions and I would address the outside of class. If they were really
> obnoxious, I would tell them to knock off the interruptions.
>
> One time I was conducting a class at one of our largest customers, a big
> oil field supply company called Waukesha-Pearce. They had in-house training
> people who were very good and present for my class, more or less just
> keeping tabs on things. There was a guy who sat in the front and constantly
> interrupted me with obscure questions that weren’t entirely relevant.
> People were getting pissed at “Tommy”, as this was apparently a regular
> thing for him. I finally got so irritated that I stopped the class after
> one of his questions where he challenged my knowledge. I walked over,
> reached out with the pointer/clicker I was using, and said, “Tommy, it’s
> clear that you must know far more than I do about our products, so why
> don’t you conduct the class for the rest of the day?”
>
> Silence.
>
> I immediately freaked out, because the company’s training manager, a good
> old Texas guy named Arnold, was sitting in back looking right at me.
>
> “Let’s take a break.”
>
> I made a beeline for Arnold, immediately apologizing for my behavior.
> Arnold laughed his proverbial *ss off. He thought it was great that Tommy
> got his comeuppance. A number of the other students told me much the same
> later that week.
>
> Tommy was quiet for the rest of the week.
>
> As for the guys who don’t want to be there, you just have to ignore them
> as long as they don’t disturb things. There were times when I would talk to
> them on break and acknowledge their displeasure and offer to cover topics
> or provide information that they might be interested in if it wasn’t being
> offered in that class.
>
> I’ve always loved teaching, but I know that it can be a grind to sit
> through a week of highly technical material and keep it engaging,
> especially if you don’t want to be there or are already familiar with the
> material.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Only recently have my classes really started to include a majority of
> folks younger than me.Most recently the very best students are very young,
> early 20's.
> > The worst was when I first started and got mostly boomers in their early
> 60's. They already knew it all and didn't want "some kid" (I was 30)
> telling them anything. Many of them flunked and got to go through the class
> again...
> >
> > Curt
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Well played !
> > However, I am just old school enough to truly favor public humiliation
> as a
> > teaching tool. The extremely short attention span of the present
> generation
> > is most remarkable. It seems primary education consists of the principle
> of
> > "If you throw enough mud against a wall, some of it will stick".....
> which
> > has generated a term for my use "Teflon children" ie those for whom
> nothing
> > stuck.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> “You never said/covered that.”
> >>
> >> “Yes I did, on this date/time.” (holds up lesson plan/notes)
> >>
> >> (Portion of classmates concur)
> >>
> >> Virtual dunce cap applied through social interaction.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ah yes one of the joys of teaching.
> >>>
> >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This week has been a real reminder for me that people don't pay
> >>>> attention. We're building VMs to install Windows Server on, I put the
> >> specs
> >>>> they should all be built to on the screen, no two student systems are
> >> the
> >>>> same.I say things like "The S: drive should be named "database"" and
> >> most
> >>>> of them aren't named.
> >>>> The best one is "The public network connection must be named "public"
> if
> >>>> its not named public you'll get a "cannot find public network error."
> >> half
> >>>> the students got the "cannot find public network" error. I stopped
> class
> >>>> and we had a talk about paying attention. I said it, I put a slide on
> >> the
> >>>> screen that had a big stop sign that said what I had just said,
> they're
> >>>> supposed to be following the documentation which has a big note in
> >> bold...
> >>>> *sigh*
> >>>>
> >>>> -Curt
> >>>>
> >>>>     On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 1:46:23 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via
> >> Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On August 13, 2019 at 11:09 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>> My 2013 F150 does not have a transmission dipstick as we know it
> >> either.
> >>>>> I am advised that there is a plug on the transmission that can be
> >>>>> removed and a form of short dipstick inside to check the level but I
> >>>>> have not personally looked for it or tried it. I am advised that Ford
> >>>>> did that because owners were pouring the wrong type of fluid into the
> >>>>> transmissions and ruining them and then seeking to have them repaired
> >> or
> >>>>> replaced under warranty.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mbz sealed our transmissions and took away our dipsticks because the
> >> fluid
> >>>> lasted long enough to keep from killing the transmission during the
> >>>> warranty period. They did eventually admit the fluid was good for the
> >> life
> >>>> of the warranty, not the life of the vehicle. The stated reason was
> that
> >>>> more harm came from lint from shop rags on the dipsticks than from low
> >>>> fluid levels, and the transmissions with low fluid levels often needed
> >>>> rebuilding or resealing anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> My Cruze has a level plug. Warm the car until the transmission fluid
> >> temp
> >>>> hits a certain number, then pull the plug with it idling in neutral
> and
> >>>> wait for it to stop dripping.
> >>>> That's still not idiot proof, at least one guy on an internet forum
> >> tried
> >>>> doing it with the engine off and wondered why a couple of quarts came
> >> out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mitch.
> >>>>
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