Yes there are,redeeming dynamics if you let them happen. I see that even
with my good  obedient Catholic freshman.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:52 PM Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What always amazes me is that these jokers had their employer paying
> thousands of dollars to see me talk but couldn't be bothered to pay
> attention. Actually the stranger ones are the self-employed that are paying
> for themselves but trying to run a business at the same time. I understand
> that your business has to run but I'm not going to let you take the test
> extra times because you weren't paying attention...
>
> Usually the good students "fix" the bad ones. I remember one young woman
> from LA telling off an older guy. That guy was particularly bad, he'd space
> out for an hour or so and then want me to go back and cover the last hour
> again. She wasn't really technical and was struggling to keep up. After a
> day of his shenanigans she'd had enough and had no problem telling him to
> pay attention each and every time she noticed him drifting off, it was
> hilarious.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 8:38:41 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> Stories from a great teacher. My audience is,a bit more,captive but i still
> see some of these behaviors
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 7:53 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As a technical trainer for a corporate entity you get to experience some
> > of the worst possible students:
> >
> > 1.) Someone who has been doing the job/work who thinks they know more
> than
> > you and wants to point it out every chance they get; or,
> >
> > 2.) The employee who has been forced to attend, like it or not, and
> > doesn’t want to be there.
> >
> > When I was doing training these didn’t happen too often, but they did
> > happen.
> >
> > #1 was usually the one who sat in the front of the class and constantly
> > interrupted you to bring attention to their “superior" knowledge. In
> > fairness there were times when a student might know more than I did for
> > whatever reason, and I looked to that as a learning experience for me. I
> > dealt wth these guys in two ways:
> >
> > Acknowledge them in front of the class and let them know that if they had
> > questions or wanted information they could speak with me during a break,
> > and that their questions were good but weren’t relevant to the material
> at
> > that time. The other students usually resented this student for being a
> > d*ck in general, more often than not.
> >
> > Take them aside during a break and tell them to take notes of their
> > questions and I would address the outside of class. If they were really
> > obnoxious, I would tell them to knock off the interruptions.
> >
> > One time I was conducting a class at one of our largest customers, a big
> > oil field supply company called Waukesha-Pearce. They had in-house
> training
> > people who were very good and present for my class, more or less just
> > keeping tabs on things. There was a guy who sat in the front and
> constantly
> > interrupted me with obscure questions that weren’t entirely relevant.
> > People were getting pissed at “Tommy”, as this was apparently a regular
> > thing for him. I finally got so irritated that I stopped the class after
> > one of his questions where he challenged my knowledge. I walked over,
> > reached out with the pointer/clicker I was using, and said, “Tommy, it’s
> > clear that you must know far more than I do about our products, so why
> > don’t you conduct the class for the rest of the day?”
> >
> > Silence.
> >
> > I immediately freaked out, because the company’s training manager, a good
> > old Texas guy named Arnold, was sitting in back looking right at me.
> >
> > “Let’s take a break.”
> >
> > I made a beeline for Arnold, immediately apologizing for my behavior.
> > Arnold laughed his proverbial *ss off. He thought it was great that Tommy
> > got his comeuppance. A number of the other students told me much the same
> > later that week.
> >
> > Tommy was quiet for the rest of the week.
> >
> > As for the guys who don’t want to be there, you just have to ignore them
> > as long as they don’t disturb things. There were times when I would talk
> to
> > them on break and acknowledge their displeasure and offer to cover topics
> > or provide information that they might be interested in if it wasn’t
> being
> > offered in that class.
> >
> > I’ve always loved teaching, but I know that it can be a grind to sit
> > through a week of highly technical material and keep it engaging,
> > especially if you don’t want to be there or are already familiar with the
> > material.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Only recently have my classes really started to include a majority of
> > folks younger than me.Most recently the very best students are very
> young,
> > early 20's.
> > > The worst was when I first started and got mostly boomers in their
> early
> > 60's. They already knew it all and didn't want "some kid" (I was 30)
> > telling them anything. Many of them flunked and got to go through the
> class
> > again...
> > >
> > > Curt
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >  On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:  Well played !
> > > However, I am just old school enough to truly favor public humiliation
> > as a
> > > teaching tool. The extremely short attention span of the present
> > generation
> > > is most remarkable. It seems primary education consists of the
> principle
> > of
> > > "If you throw enough mud against a wall, some of it will stick".....
> > which
> > > has generated a term for my use "Teflon children" ie those for whom
> > nothing
> > > stuck.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> “You never said/covered that.”
> > >>
> > >> “Yes I did, on this date/time.” (holds up lesson plan/notes)
> > >>
> > >> (Portion of classmates concur)
> > >>
> > >> Virtual dunce cap applied through social interaction.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 13, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Ah yes one of the joys of teaching.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> > >>> Wickford RI
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 1:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> This week has been a real reminder for me that people don't pay
> > >>>> attention. We're building VMs to install Windows Server on, I put
> the
> > >> specs
> > >>>> they should all be built to on the screen, no two student systems
> are
> > >> the
> > >>>> same.I say things like "The S: drive should be named "database"" and
> > >> most
> > >>>> of them aren't named.
> > >>>> The best one is "The public network connection must be named
> "public"
> > if
> > >>>> its not named public you'll get a "cannot find public network
> error."
> > >> half
> > >>>> the students got the "cannot find public network" error. I stopped
> > class
> > >>>> and we had a talk about paying attention. I said it, I put a slide
> on
> > >> the
> > >>>> screen that had a big stop sign that said what I had just said,
> > they're
> > >>>> supposed to be following the documentation which has a big note in
> > >> bold...
> > >>>> *sigh*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Curt
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 1:46:23 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via
> > >> Mercedes <
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On August 13, 2019 at 11:09 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> My 2013 F150 does not have a transmission dipstick as we know it
> > >> either.
> > >>>>> I am advised that there is a plug on the transmission that can be
> > >>>>> removed and a form of short dipstick inside to check the level but
> I
> > >>>>> have not personally looked for it or tried it. I am advised that
> Ford
> > >>>>> did that because owners were pouring the wrong type of fluid into
> the
> > >>>>> transmissions and ruining them and then seeking to have them
> repaired
> > >> or
> > >>>>> replaced under warranty.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mbz sealed our transmissions and took away our dipsticks because the
> > >> fluid
> > >>>> lasted long enough to keep from killing the transmission during the
> > >>>> warranty period. They did eventually admit the fluid was good for
> the
> > >> life
> > >>>> of the warranty, not the life of the vehicle. The stated reason was
> > that
> > >>>> more harm came from lint from shop rags on the dipsticks than from
> low
> > >>>> fluid levels, and the transmissions with low fluid levels often
> needed
> > >>>> rebuilding or resealing anyway.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My Cruze has a level plug. Warm the car until the transmission fluid
> > >> temp
> > >>>> hits a certain number, then pull the plug with it idling in neutral
> > and
> > >>>> wait for it to stop dripping.
> > >>>> That's still not idiot proof, at least one guy on an internet forum
> > >> tried
> > >>>> doing it with the engine off and wondered why a couple of quarts
> came
> > >> out.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mitch.
> > >>>>
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