I flushed at least one out into the open. Any others? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> It's a way to poison our precious bodily fluids just like the commie > fluoridation of our water supplies! > > --FT > > On 3/13/20 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > Who on the list is an antivaxxer? > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Thanks Gerry, some common sense there. > >> > >> " There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between > >> 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only > half > >> the country gets that vaccine. > >> > >> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from > COVID-19, > >> but everybody would get a vaccine now. > >> > >> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk." > >> > >> I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu. > >> ------------- > >> Max > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q&A > >>> > >>> > >>> At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of > the > >>> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President > >> Donald > >>> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the > next > >>> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months > >>> better.” > >>> > >>> But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of > months, > >>> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of > >> the > >>> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the > >>> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to > >> perfect > >>> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for > >>> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe > diarrhea > >>> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006. > >>> > >>> Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few > >> months? > >>> Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested > in > >>> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple > months > >>> ago. That’s not long. > >>> > >>> [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what > approach > >>> you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to > >>> make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and > >> that > >>> it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then > you > >>> gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make > >>> sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of > time, > >>> typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into > people > >> to > >>> see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation. > >>> > >>> In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak > >> in > >>> the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine > very > >>> quickly. > >>> > >>> I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West > >>> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within > >> weeks, > >>> people thought, Ha! That’s easy. > >>> > >>> But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola > >>> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve > done > >>> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic. > >>> > >>> But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from > >>> scratch. > >>> > >>> What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine > >>> will be available? > >>> > >>> I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory > >>> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types > >> of] > >>> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years. > >>> > >>> But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and > >>> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and > >> gone. > >>> I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s > >>> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were > sick. > >>> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then > >>> quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that > >>> they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This > >>> virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by > >>> respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same > set > >>> of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have > >> the > >>> same mortality rate as flu. > >>> > >>> There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with > a > >>> coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have > >>> immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s > >>> encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s > encouraging > >>> that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which > you > >>> should be able to mimic with vaccination. > >>> > >>> Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about > >> safety > >>> vs. red tape? > >>> > >>> If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are > >>> very, very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure > it’s > >>> safe. So you want those regulations in place. > >>> > >>> An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in Latin America > and > >>> Philippines, it was found to actually increase your risk of dengue > shock > >>> syndrome. Children who were less than 9 years of age, who had never > been > >>> exposed to the virus before, were actually more likely to be hurt by > the > >>> vaccine than helped by it. Now, you only knew that from doing large > >>> clinical trials with tens of thousands of people. > >>> > >>> The history of medical breakthroughs is littered with tragedy. You want > >> to > >>> make sure that things are safe. > >>> > >>> What do you think is behind the apparent willingness to skirt the rules > >> to > >>> rush a vaccine? > >>> > >>> I think that because we falsely overrate, or incorrectly rate, what the > >>> mortality rate is, we’re willing to accept that things will be rushed > >>> through. In fact, coronavirus doesn’t have a high mortality rate. > >>> > >>> There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between > >> 20,000 > >>> and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half the > >>> country gets that vaccine. > >>> > >>> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from > >>> COVID-19, but everybody would get a vaccine now. > >>> > >>> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-trump-paul-offit-20200306.html > >>> Gerry > >>> > ........................................................................ > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > --FT > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
