Maybe they will have a big anti-vaxxer convention. Indoors, of course. With an open bar.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 12:05 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Think of it as evolution in action > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Once one or more vaccines are available I wonder what the antivaxxer > rate > > will be.... of people who refuse under any circumstances to get > inoculated. > > > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> This is informative. Thank you! > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who > >> developed her own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at > the > >> hospital, another who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and > >> affiliated with drug development efforts at the hospital, and his wife) > got > >> the first Astra Zeneca doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others > are > >> 50/50) 2 weeks ago locally. Trials were briefly suspended last week > after a > >> possibly (but not likely)-related illness in U.K. But will likely > resume > >> maybe this week after NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in > U.K. > >> US and Brazil. > >>> > >>> I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this > >> in some detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood > draws to > >> monitor responses. > >>> > >>> There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The > >> different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I > >> forget the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the > >> structure and function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and > >> unique, hence the vaccine challenges and possibly different > >> effectivenesses). > >>> > >>> He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2 > or > >> 3 different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty > high > >> (flu shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last > maybe a > >> coupla years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets > >> about it. > >>> > >>> My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on > >> herself to see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might > do > >> it... > >>> > >>> I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability > and > >> am waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche > (60 > >> people) are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign > up , > >> he thinks I have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting > >> invited in. If you get the actual dose, and it actually works, your > >> immunity would develop over a month or two, it is not necessarily > >> immediate, which is how these things work. And even if tests don’t show > you > >> have the antibodies, you might still have immunity because humans have > >> different mechanisms (I think he told me there are 3 mechanisms) for > >> immunity not all of which will show up on the easier tests. So a lot of > it > >> is biology and not really “testable” for immediate results. > >>> > >>> He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next > >> 3-4 months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if > >> all goes well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if > >> available. Yes it takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated > given > >> the biology of it all. > >>> > >>> So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my > >> consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all. I > think I > >> got most of it right, there was beer involved... It was all quite > >> informative and encouraging, but practically drug development takes time > >> and this is being accelerated but still trying to maintain safety. > >>> > >>> --FT > >>> Sent from iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I > know > >> a lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me > >> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years... > >>>> -Curt > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via > >> Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +0000 > >>>>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Long time, no hear... > >>>> > >>>>> Rick > >>>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Hi Rick, > >>>> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz. > >>>> Looking forward to an effective vaccine. > >>>> Thanks for your concern. > >>>> Gerry > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >>>> https://www.avg.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
