If a big propane tank is rented and you terminate service, the LP company usually comes and picks up and hauls off the whole tank, even part full.
-----Original Message----- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 9:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blizzard More shop propane questions. I am not sure what the PO of Okie acres did, i see no evidence of a big propane tank being installed on the property. There is a gas line connection at the back of the shop and I suspect maybe they used those 100lb tanks and just took them down and filled them. Would this be the way to go or get a big permanent tank? Will these 100lb tanks run these big overhead heaters? I would probably only actually run one of them, not both at the same time. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2021, at 7:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > This reminds me of a question about tanks.I've got 4x 100# tanks that have > been on the farm, well probably 50 years. Are they useful for refilling or > should I send them for recycling? We've never refilled them for the camp > because they're hard to handle and we only use 2x 20# cans in a normal week > at camp. Actually before we got the fridge we wouldn't even use 2 full tanks. > > -Curt > > On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 8:18:07 PM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Kaleb, You need to think through which circuits need to be on the backup > system and which don't (unless you get a really big generator). The typical > home has a 200 amp service entrance, which is almost 50KW. My house already > had an outdoor breaker panel as part of the meter and an indoor fuse box > (which became a breaker panel). I tried to put all the critical circuits on > the indoor breaker panel and then power that panel through the transfer > switch (so everything on the indoor CB panel could be generator powered). > The electrician did not exactly follow my desires so neither heat pump is on > the generator. That is only a problem in summer because I have LP > fireplaces. Some of the Generac kits include a sub-panel (of sorts) that you > mount next to the main (existing panel). That critical circuits get moved to > that subpanel and that subpanel is powered through the transfer switch. But > I think that setup looks crappy in the main part of the house. > > Another option is to power the whole-house panel through the transfer switch > but selective turn off unnecessary breakers. Finally. There are devices you > can use for specific loads, like a water heater, that will disconnect that > load if it detects the generator is overloaded. > > In NC, you can buy or rent the tank. If you use enough LP in a year the rent > can be free. But if you rent, only that company can deliver LP to the tank. > If the tank is above ground, switching to a different LP supplier (who will > provide his own tank) is easy. Generators use LP quickly, at least compared > with other things. One of the reasons for a larger tank is to maintain > pressure during high usage. The tank needs to absorb enough heat from the > environment to "boil off" LP gas as you use it. > > Preferably, locate the generator so the engine exhaust will blow away from > the house. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:37 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Kaleb Striplin <ka...@striplin.net> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blizzard > > I would like to get a whole home backup generator and run it off > propane, and also run a line out to the shop for the heaters there. > Maybe even replace the stove/oven with propane instead of electric > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 14, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Power was out here from about 0700 to noon, probably caused by an ice >> storm. I was unaware of that until I got to my kitchen and heard the >> generator running. That (15KW Generac) LP-fired standby generator was nice >> to have then but there are costs. >> >> I think the equipment was about $3500 (in 2005) but the install was part of >> a bigger project so I don't have a number for that. LP is pretty clean but >> I still do an annual oil and filter change. The start battery has died >> several times without much warning and battery acid damaged allowed the case >> to rust. I'm using a Battery Minder now, maybe that will help. >> >> At very light load the output frequency is just over 63 Hz which causes many >> UPS systems to revert to battery power (beep-beep-beep) and deplete the >> battery; APC Smart UPS are more tolerant. >> >> I have an underground 500 gal LP tank (which only holds 400 gal) that should >> be good for a couple of days. An above-ground thank would be cheaper and >> would let ne switch LP suppliers; but SWMBO said no to above-ground. >> >> Overall, I have no complaints but frankly, the few recent power outages >> didn't justify the expense. However, long power outages were very common >> previously and SWMBO would not be able to manage a manual system (I traveled >> for work in those days). >> >> For short outages, an 8-10 KW (electric start) gasoline generator should do >> the job much cheaper. The plug-in output cord can be wired to a power panel >> with a mechanical interlock fairly inexpensively (if code allows). The main >> drawback of this setup, IMO, is storing gasoline and keeping it fresh. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 4:27 PM >> To: Okie Benz <mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blizzard >> >> It does make life far easier and less likely to be interrupted. Big up front >> cost, though, if you do it right. >> >> -D >> >>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Being that we are total electric here, I should get a backup generator one >>> of these day. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> That reminds me, it’s about time to check the propane tank for my >>>> annual fill for the standby generator… >>>> >>>> -D shoveling sun and a little bit of rain today in the near 80s >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 14, 2021, at 4:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Blizzard is proceeding, temp is 7 outside with wind chill is -10, >>>>> snow blowing outside. Heat pump pretty much runs non stop. Over the last >>>>> 30 minutes the power has been going out off and on. No good. I may end up >>>>> having to haul in some firewood and firing up the fireplace/insert. It >>>>> would Most definitely cut down on the heat pump useable but by the time >>>>> you pay for firewood I don’t think it would be any cheaper. I keep >>>>> firewood around for use in the case of emergency. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
