Got the fire going. Of course it will take a while to start putting off some 
heat. Without the doors closed and the blower going, it seems like it’s 
probably operating like a regular fireplace with most of the heat going ok the 
chimney. 

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> On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Some of those units do pretty amazing things in the cold these days. 10-15 
> years ago 20F was the practical minimum but I've read of units that will 
> still work down to 0F and there are some that probably go colder. I suspect 
> efficiency takes a dump at those temps though.
> 
> The guy I'm training to run the groomer is an HVAC installer and the other 
> night he was telling me that just about nobody is installing ground source 
> heat pumps any more due to the huge cost and the availability of low temp air 
> source units combined with the low cost of natural gas.
> 
> I'd considered ground source but the ones I've looked at are $20,000+ while a 
> new boiler for our house is more like $6,000 and would decrease our oil use 
> 20-25%. It would take a long long time to pay off that extra cost. There are 
> incentives but they're decreasing every year.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 10:46:10 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I don’t know if size matters but it’s a 5 ton unit and even when it was in 
> the single digest I could tell it was putting out heat. I could tell the 
> difference between when the outside unit was running and when it was shut 
> down and only using the aux heat.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 16, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > There's no point in it running if it can't extract any heat from the air.  
> > It's a wonder it was running and putting out much when it got down below 
> > 20F or so.
> > 
> > --FT
> > 
> >> On 2/16/21 10:36 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Power just came back on a few minutes ago.  Outside unit still not 
> >> running.  I did find the installation manual online though. Here is some 
> >> info about the defrost and lockouts.  Sounds like it may simply be locking 
> >> out because the temp is too low.
> >> 
> >> Heating Mode:The compressor and fan motor will stop when the low pressure 
> >> control opens and will start again when the low side pressure rises to 
> >> approximately 40 psig when the low pressure automatically resets�If the 
> >> low pressure switch trips 3 times within 120 minutes of operation during a 
> >> particular call for heating operation, the defrost control will lock out 
> >> compressor and outdoor fan operation�If the lock out due to low pressure 
> >> occurs at an outdoor ambient temperature below 5°F, the defrost control 
> >> will automatically exit the lockout mode when the outdoor ambient 
> >> temperature rises 5°F�This feature is necessary since the low pressure 
> >> control could possibly have opened due to the outdoor ambient being very 
> >> low rather than an actual system fault�
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Of course with the power being out I figure that would have caused the 
> >> lockout to reset at least for a while.  Will see what happens when it gets 
> >> over 5 this afternoon.
> > 
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