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(-D who backed a lot of hay wagons)

> On May 3, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If you learn by backing up hay wagons, everything else is easy.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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>> On May 3, 2021, at 6:49 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My farming cousin, who has been reversing all manner of heavy equipment
>> since he was about 6, still holds the course record for reversing a semi
>> through the final test course at the Army transportation training center in
>> Cape May (I think). It was essentially reversing a semi truck through a
>> bunch of cones around curves, then up to a loading dock. Apparently he was
>> kind of amped up and just floored the truck down the whole course as fast
>> as it would go. He was in the national guard and his unit ended up going to
>> Iraq. Anyway you can always buy yourself a remote control semi truck. My
>> Dad brought one back from Germany when I was about 9, for Christmas. I
>> think that is how I figured out the basic dynamics.
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2021, 6:02 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is exactly correct. Put your hand on the bottom of the wheel and the
>>> bottom of the wheel goes where you want the back of the trailer to go. Use
>>> your mirrors or turn around and look out the back, either way. Makes it
>>> easy, no thinking involved.
>>> 
>>> My 96 Chebby truck has a large turning radius so it can be challenging to
>>> back a trailer. My 00  Suburban is much better in that regard. Both are 4wd
>>> but the Sub is not a solid axle.
>>> 
>>> My 16ft double axle trailer is fairly easy to back up as it is longer and
>>> doesn’t jackknife as easily as my 12(?)ft single axle I got with my little
>>> tractor. That thing DOES NOT like to be backed up as the short length from
>>> hitch to the deck snaps it quickly. The truck/trailer combo is challenging,
>>> a bit better with the Sub. I got a hitch thing for the 3pt lift on the
>>> tractor and even that is not real easy to back with.
>>> 
>>> Interestingly I learned about moving things right after high school when I
>>> worked at the airport pushing planes around with a tug and tow bar hooked
>>> to the nose wheel. I was having a real hard time until I thought about the
>>> dynamics a bit, figured that out, then BAM! it all fell into place. I was
>>> very good at it, the other guys were kind of amazed at how I picked it up.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 3, 2021, at 7:39 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 2021-05-03 02:48, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> If you can, look out the back window of the tow vehicle and focus on the
>>>>> rear of the trailer, then simply drive the rear of the trailer where you
>>>>> want it to go... Your eye hand coordination will happen better that way.
>>>>> You are "driving the trailer" instead of "backing up".
>>>> 
>>>> For some people it helps to grab the bottom of the steering wheel and
>>> move it in the direction you want the trailer to go.
>>>> 
>>>> Wagons are the opposite, move the top of the wheel where you want to
>>> turn the wagon, and go slow, don't let it get far out of line.
>>>> 
>>>> Double wagons, I hate backing a wagon hitched to a wagon.
>>>> 
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