Something for Kaleb to do with all the rusting hulks in the back 40.... https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/worlds-cheapest-energy-storage-will-be-an-iron-air-battery-says-jeff-bezos-backed-start-up/2-1-1044174
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Or we need a way to idle non-solar production during sunny hours and then > ramp it back up as solar production goes offline. We'd also need more > non-solar production on cloudy/stormy days. > > Use the grid to consume solar when its being made. EVs don't have to be at > home to charge. My office has 6 EV charging stations, the grocery store near > work has 4 that claim "free charging", heck even my small town has 4 charging > stations in the park.The EV you drove to work charges while you're there and > the sun is shining... > Seems like this is much more practical than storing the energy. > > > -Curt > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 12:22:27 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The true short fall with solar is not panels, it is battery storage, or > some sort of storage yet to be invented. We now have decent panels, at > decent prices, and panel production facilities with excess capacity [which > was not the case even 5 years ago]. > What we do not have to "make it all work" is some way to capture energy > during daylight, and then store it for use at night, to charge EV cars, > cool or heat our homes, etc. > Easily, during a "solar day" there are megawatts of energy available for > collection. We as a society just have not been smart enough to figure out a > way to capture and store it for later use. > Producing more EV cars, and destroying fossil fuel production, without > solving this one critical issue first is stupid in a classical way. > If you want to be the next richest man in the world, invent a solution to > this storage issue that works, is cheap, and can be used by normal low tech > people, as part of their home equipment. > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:00 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Home PV (photovoltaics) to run aircon also makes good sense. Cool the > > house during the hottest part of the day by capturing the stuff making the > > house hot. > > PV on business roofs makes solid sense too since you've got a lot of > > heating/cooling/lighting/etc going on in big buildings. > > The problem is that the solar industry has lost a bunch of believably due > > to the obvious lies told by the greenwashers. The diysolar group on Reddit > > is full of questions like "How do I run my apartment aircon on solar?" from > > people who have no idea how much energy it takes to run even a small aircon > > and thing they can do it from a 100w panel on their balcony... > > -Curt > > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 11:47:50 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Home solar to charge an EV sorta makes sense, if your car is at home > > during the day. It's the ideal use case though, with no complicated grid > > tie-ins or transfer switches. > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > > The thing is, they don't. Over about a 30 year span they degrade slowly > > but never stop producing power. Nobody knows how long they'll continue to > > produce or what the final level will be. > > > Even if they break or quit producing power they're mostly just silicon > > and copper, very easy to recycle. > > > Solar is a really great power producer, the problem is the greenwashing > > that makes people think it can be the ONLY power producer. Ideally we > > should be installing a ton of solar to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels > > and working out systems to more easily spin up or down as needed to make up > > for shortfalls in renewables. > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Friday, July 23, 2021, 9:48:35 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > What's your plan for disposal when the solar panels reach the end of > > their > > > useful life? > > > ------------- > > > Max > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Meanwhile, I am busy ordering more solar panels for my home since the > > price > > > > has come down 40 percent. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 9:16 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I guess they should have been building more nuke plants. > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2021, at 10:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to rain on the EV parade, but, who is going to invest the > > > > > critical > > > > > > and much needed $400 Trillion in building new electrical > > generation and > > > > > > transmission lines to support all these new EV vehicles, in the > > next 9 > > > > > > years? > > > > > > Graphic example: California just ordered all EV vehicles NOT to > > charge, > > > > > > because the power transmission lines were at peak load and could > > not > > > > meet > > > > > > the expected charging demands. > > > > > > Record heat, record AC use, forest fires caused by overheated and > > > > sagging > > > > > > transmission lines... etc etc... repeat across Europe. > > > > > > Presently, there is serious discussion about shutting down Hoover > > Dam > > > > > > because of extreme drought. The water level in Lake Meade is lower > > than > > > > > it > > > > > > has been in 50 years. > > > > > > Mining for EV battery materials and critical component materials > > is in > > > > > > extreme short supply, for the projected future. > > > > > > Large power plants historically take 20 or more years to build, > > Large > > > > > > transformers have lead times measured in years. Transmission > > lines? Who > > > > > > knows for sure, few have been built in the past 40 years. Steel for > > > > > > towers... made in the steel mills in China... Wire for lines... ? > > Who > > > > > mines > > > > > > the raw materials and what is the real lead time to make thousands > > of > > > > > miles > > > > > > of new transmission lines? > > > > > > Asking for a friend. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 7:55 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > > > > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/mercedes-benz-go-all-electric-2030-n1274708 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Plans to invest more than $47 billion by 2030 to develop > > > > > battery-electric > > > > > >> vehicles, and be ready for an all-electric car market by 2030. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Spending on traditional combustion-engine technology "close to > > zero" > > > > by > > > > > >> 2025. > > > > > >> _______________________________________ > > > > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
