Maybe this is an easier way to go....

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/grd/d/greensburg-simplicity-allis-with-tiller/7452423023.html


On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> No I do not have the 3pt hitch either. Sounding like more trouble than 
> it's worth.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Ahh, okay, wide frame but as I said in another note it doesn't seem 
>> like it matters.
>>
>> Do you already have a 3pt hitch? You need one to mount the tiller on. 
>> Those can be spendy.
>>
>> The sites I found also recommended spring assist or a hydraulic lift 
>> (which was a factory option, or you could make your own) because of the 
>> weight of the tiller. I've pulled a plow (plough for Fred), a disc 
>> harrow, cultivator and back blade (not all at the same time) and they 
>> do require significant arm strength to lift, way more than a mower deck 
>> would.
>>
>> I guess I'm kind of on the look out for a creeper gear and tiller now, 
>> that thing is pretty cool.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 07:05:11 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> It is an International Cub Cadet 128.
>>
>> https://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/2/4/245-cub-cadet-128.html
>>
>> Mine has the 3-speed (and reverse) transmission, not the creeper.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 5:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Sounds like my former 1962 Wheel Horse. Built like a brick doghouse, 
>>> however, not that great with anything other than a mower deck. I had a 
>>> snowblower for it, but it was only single stage, so it wasn’t terribly 
>>> effective. Pretty underpowered for the wet Midwestern snow.
>>>
>>> I think there was a tiller attachment for it, too, but like the 
>>> snowblower I can see it being very good.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>> On Mar 1, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I will check when I get home. It's an older tractor, certainly older than 
>>>> 1990s, weighs a ton, built like a tank.
>>>> 
>>>> It's set up and I've only used it as a mower (belly mower deck). It has 
>>>> turf tires which also would not be great in a garden I guess. But I'll 
>>>> check the model and get back to you.
>>>> 
>>>> Allan
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>>>> If it's belt drive it's not a narrow frame Cub Cadet, well unless it's 
>>>>> an Original, those used a weird system where a belt went from the 
>>>>> engine down to the driveshaft which went to the transmission. They're 
>>>>> super weird because the belt runs vertically, not like modern garden 
>>>>> tractors where the belt runs vertically from the engine to the 
>>>>> transmission. Most people consider the Original to be special and not 
>>>>> really a narrow frame tractor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That tiller attaches to the tractor's 3pt hitch which is a proprietary 
>>>>> thing, there is a C shaped bracket at the bottom of the transaxle, 
>>>>> about inline with the axles and a lifting rod that pivots on the same 
>>>>> bit the seat mounts to. They're uncommon and expensive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Power for the tiller actually comes off the front of the tractor, a 
>>>>> rear PTO is a very rare option. The belt goes down the front of the 
>>>>> engine (these are all horizontal shaft engines) to a pair of wheels 
>>>>> that turn it under the tractor (so horizontally) to the tiller at the 
>>>>> rear. I've never actually seen one in person but it must be a very long 
>>>>> belt.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I *think* you might be able to use a narrow frame tiller on a wide 
>>>>> frame tractor but you won't be able to use it on a "modern" (say post 
>>>>> 1990) lawn tractor. Certainly not one with a vertical shaft engine, at 
>>>>> least not without major adaptation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Curt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 03:54:20 PM EST, Allan Streib 
>>>>> <astr...@fastmail.fm> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah I need to check, I can't recall the model and not at home now. But 
>>>>> I do know that everything is belt drive. 1st gear is pretty slow, but 
>>>>> it does not have a Hi/low-range splitter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>>>>> What tractor do you have?
>>>>>> This would work best on a hydrostatic machine or a gear machine with a 
>>>>>> creeper gear.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've got a couple narrow frame Cubs, they're great.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022, 02:28:55 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thoughts? Fair price?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This includes the gearbox and I think it would work on my tractor (need 
>>>>>> to double check).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/384696830760
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