That O-235 should make it a nice aircraft! The only "Champ" I've flown was a 7KCAB - AEIO-320. We used it to tow gliders back in the day - seldom flew right-side-up to and from the airport with the gliders :-)
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:27 PM G Mann via Mercedes <[email protected]> wrote: > Last covered in Ceconite, and has zero defects that tell me it is failing. > Next step, once the FAA registration is cleared, and I own the "N" number, > is to do a very complete annual inspection, with all AD compliance brought > up to date, along with a wing spar inspection [it has the wood spars it was > born with, so 75 yr old, time to have a look like my life depended on it..] > Then, fly it... > I "Just happen to have a Lycoming 235 engine" which makes almost double the > HP of the 65 hp in it now... some time in the future... maybe.. But that is > a whole new project... > > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:14 PM G Mann <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Champ has been stored inside the whole time, never saw the light of > > day, and it's Arizona, so very dry, little moisture in the air to make > > rust. I pulled the prop through, has decent compression, even though the > > cylinders are likely bone dry of oil. I'll pull the plugs and pre-oil the > > cylinders, also do what I can to pre-lube the cam and rod bearings. I'm > > betting it starts and runs [very low power to start with just to give it > a > > chance to get oil where it needs to go.. > > Fabric feels strong still, Logs say it was last covered in C > > > > On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:55 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> I've seen engines that have been sitting for 20+ years started and flown > >> away - I guess the wear from a flew flights with rusty cam and cylinders > >> won't make it fall from the sky, and you'd be replacing them anyway > during > >> an overhaul. > >> What fabric does it have? If Ceconite or other dacron, I wonder if it's > >> still good? > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 1:07 AM G Mann via Mercedes < > >> [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Don, > >> > Thanks on the Champ. It is a true barn find, well hanger find, > actually. > >> > It comes with a full set of engine and airframe log books from the day > >> it > >> > left the factory in 1946, which is incredible. In digging through the > >> > current history today I discovered it has been setting in the hanger > >> where > >> > it is since the owner bought it 23 years ago, and not been flown... > >> > previous story was 12 years... paperwork says 23 years... so next > comes > >> a > >> > full inspection and return to legal flight status. > >> > A fun airplane to fly, if you are not in a hurry... haha... Life in > the > >> > slow lane = driving a 240D to the airport to fly a Champ... then > driving > >> > home... that should take up the whole day.. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:48 PM OK Don via Mercedes < > >> [email protected] > >> > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Cool looking Champ! > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 7:09 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > >> > [email protected] > >> > > > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Kaleb, > >> > > > Thanks for asking. It is being converted into a deluxe motor > coach. > >> > The > >> > > > chassis is the same one you see used all over Europe. When they > were > >> > > > imported into the USA, they had to use American made engine and > >> > > > transmission, so it is fitted with Detroit V8 diesel, with Allison > >> > > > transmission, also, the lower deck was used for cargo and baggage, > >> > since > >> > > > the USA safety folks choked at a 100 passenger bus. > >> > > > So, for my use, the lower bays are used for things like washer > dryer > >> > > [full > >> > > > size ] deep freeze, pantry, all the batteries and H20 tanks, etc > etc > >> > > etc.. > >> > > > [loads of space to use], the upper passenger deck is devoted to > >> living > >> > > > quarters with all accommodations. > >> > > > 40 ft long, 8 ft 6 in wide X 2 ... 11 ft 4 in tall, air ride > >> > suspension, > >> > > > weighs in at 40,000 lbs, 3 axles, two fuel tanks with 245 gallons > of > >> > > "cheap > >> > > > diesel" in each one. > >> > > > Since Arizona is "little Hades" in the summer, my plan is to go to > >> > Idaho, > >> > > > Wyoming, and Montana in the summer months and take life "easy" out > >> of > >> > the > >> > > > heat. AZ is the best place to be from mid Sept to early June, and > my > >> > > intent > >> > > > is to be a "sunbird" instead of a "snowbird"... > >> > > > Assisted, of course, by a winning lottery ticket and an absent > >> > ex-wife... > >> > > > ;))... > >> > > > If we were in a contest to see who has more vehicles, you would > >> win... > >> > > just > >> > > > barely.. haha.. > >> > > > Here is a picture of one I just bought.. been stored for 12 > years.. > >> > > covered > >> > > > in dust... > >> > > > [image: image.png] > >> > > > > >> > > > On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 2:10 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > What the heck do you do with a double decker bus? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Dec 26, 2022, at 2:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes < > >> > > > [email protected]> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Correct. The older Prevost all used the Detroit 8V92 engine, > >> which > >> > > > > means it > >> > > > > > was 8 cylinders, V configuration, and 92 cubic inches per > >> cylinder. > >> > > > > > The early engines used strictly mechanical injection and > timing, > >> > and > >> > > in > >> > > > > > their day there were very skilled mechanics who could make > them > >> > sing > >> > > a > >> > > > > very > >> > > > > > happy tune pulling down the road while loaded. > >> > > > > > Then came the EPA [and California CARB Rules], Detroit changed > >> the > >> > > 8V92 > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > DDEC [Detroit Diesel Electronic Control] and the 8V92 > continued > >> on > >> > > for > >> > > > > > another decade. Finally EPA raised the emission limits to a > >> point > >> > of > >> > > > > > "unobtainium" for the two stroke design, and Detroit shifted > to > >> > only > >> > > > > > producing 4 stroke, emissions compliant, computer controlled > >> > engines > >> > > > > [still > >> > > > > > calling the computer DDEC to keep control of the Detroit > >> moniker. > >> > > > > > The Mercedes 40 ft. Double Deck bus I own has a late > generation > >> > 8V92 > >> > > > DDEC > >> > > > > > engine.. and yes, I own a "big set of wrenches and a big stack > >> of > >> > > hard > >> > > > > copy > >> > > > > > manuals" to work on it. 20 Ton jack stands, anyone? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 1:23 PM RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes < > >> > > > > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Folks, > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> I think the Prevost is lovely BUT one of my bus company > owning > >> > > friends > >> > > > > >> says that the old Prevost have an environmentally nasty > engine > >> … > >> > > > maybe a > >> > > > > >> two stroke diesel > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Dirty by diesel standards! > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> I’ll stick with my isuzu chassis 1994 Safari Trek … but I > >> pulled > >> > the > >> > > > > valve > >> > > > > >> body on the transmission and lost a spring and I can’t find > >> > anywhere > >> > > > to > >> > > > > buy > >> > > > > >> it! > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Xx rick > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________ > >> > > > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > > > >> > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________ > >> > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > >> > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________ > >> > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > > >> > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > > >> > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > OK Don > >> > > > >> > > "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing > >> you > >> > > are wearing." > >> > > > >> > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time > to > >> > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > > > >> > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am > doing.” > >> > > Wernher > >> > > Von Braun > >> > > > >> > > "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing > it. > >> > > In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not > be > >> > > doing it." > >> > > -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and > >> Engineering > >> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> > > _______________________________________ > >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> OK Don > >> > >> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you > >> are wearing." > >> > >> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >> > >> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > >> Wernher > >> Von Braun > >> > >> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. > >> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be > >> doing it." > >> -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> _______________________________________ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you are wearing." "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it. In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be doing it." -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
