I also have both 123 and 124 diesels and although the 124 is fancier and more smooth I actually prefer the 123. There is a lot more plastic in the 124 - see for instance the fuel line clips and parts are not made as well eg fuel lines are much thinner and more finiky. Complexity is a lot higher in w124 with electric cooloant pump, electronc idel speed , electroic climate control etc etc
Peter -----Original Message----- From: LarryT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2007 02:09 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? When this thread started my 1st response, without giving it any thought at all, was the W108 is all it's variants - incl the 109 and 111. Especially the late production 280SEL with the 6 cyl FI engine although the 4.5 V8 is very high on the list. Then, I started thinking about my 123 and 124 (I've been lucky enough to have one of each) - both are amazing cars with few quality problems. Not many -- Of course, we're comparing gas to diesels - I'd like to try a new S class - as T Hargrave suggested - I'll bet it's awesome. But I wouldn't want to have to pay for its maintanence after it's 5 or 10 years old - which is my yardstick for labelling something "Great" in terms of something I might buy. As for as everyone complaining whenever a new model comes out - I think that behaviour is universal - When the Porsche 911 was introduced in 1963 the 356 group said they were "Real" Porsches, same thing happened again and agin as new series were introduced. And when, God,forbid, a front engine potential 911 replacement should come out, stand back and watch the arrows fly. IMHO, MB is growing with the industry - changing to stay competitive. Again - Watching old video of the Porsche assy lines in the 50s compared to the lines of today and the so-called "Hand Built" Porsches are called such with a wink. Sure, they are more "Hands-On" that your typical CHevy but new ones could never be called Hand-Built in the tradition of the 356s. As someone once said, "It's all relative." Later -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? > The last real Mercedes is still being built today. Go to the > dealership & test drive a new S class and you will understand why. > > I little trivia that I've told to the list several times: > > I remember when I was a kid in Germany and the new square line came > out. That's the 114 / 115 body for those who don't know. > > My parents & their friends were all complaining "it's not a real > Mercedes", "it doesn't have the Mercedes grill", "it will never sell", > "they are cheap Mercedes imitations", "the quality isn't the same", > etc, etc, etc. And some swore to never buy a Mercedes again - they > did. > > Then the replacement for the 108 / 109 body came out in 1972 and guess > what? It was the same complaints all over again. > > Don't we all collect, restore & drive these "Mercedes classics" today? > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > ----Original Message---- > From: Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/10/07 01:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 126 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:39 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes? > > 140 > > Steve MacSween wrote: >> This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for > DIY, > and >> parts prices. >> >> I vote w124. >> >> Flames off list pls. >> >> Mac >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > -- > Kaleb C. 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