On 4/13/17 2:43 PM, Pierre-Yves David wrote:
On 04/13/2017 11:37 PM, Pierre-Yves David wrote:
On 04/12/2017 04:23 PM, Ryan McElroy wrote:
I think the next step is for the community to officially figure out
if this is a good direction to go in, however that happens.
I had productive face to face discussion with multiple people in the
past couple a day. Let us put all technical details aside and look at
the situation at the high level.
The current tentacular discussions are the *gathering of three
different goals*:
There a was a secondary point I wanted to make. But I did not wanted to
inflate the the size of the previous email too much.
The recent discussion *mixes multiple complex topics*. Complex both at
the technical and UI level. It results in a *back and forth of
interleaved discussion* *with people caring about different aspects*.
As a good symptom of that, I've read maybe 3 summaries of the situation
and existing consensus by three different people in the last 48h. To me
they seems to reach sightly different conclusions and outline different
consensus. I'm not even sure how to interpret some ambiguity in them.
After discussion this further with Gregory, I think *we really needs to
introduce more focus this discussion*. I know everybody are itching to
bring up some topics, but we should agree on what is the *next most
important small step we can take and focus on that*. Without trying to
alter other aspects in the same go. Having a*small group of neutral
moderators* to lead the discussion would help.
From the current state of the discussion, I think we should starts with
a *restricted discussion about an alternative to strip*, /mutually
exclusive with evolution/. I personally though local-hiding and
obsolescence hiding could coexist until I read Gregory email. He seems
to be raising valid concerns there. When that topic is sorted out, we
can move the discussion to something else, for example how they could
coexist.
What do you think?
If we delete the "Interaction With Obsmarkers" paragraph of my proposal,
it's effectively a proposal for an alternative to strip. Would that be
an appropriate starting place for a alternative-to-strip discussion? We
could leave out it's interaction with evolve for now.
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