This probably doesn’t float but, is there anything gained from adding a round  
for unknown contacts?

msg from the unknown > rsp w/ random str > rply w/ str => msg moves to inbox

Do spammers have the capacity to respond to all the mail they send out?




On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Joseph Bonneau wrote:

>  
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Trevor Perrin <[email protected] 
> (mailto:[email protected])> wrote:
> > "Apple iMessage, Wickr and BBM Protected can all be described as
> > opportunistic encryption messaging systems that have been very
> > successful deployment-wise." - Joe Bonneau, [2
>  
> To that list we can apparently add Kik and its 150 million users. 
> Interestingly, they don't seem to make any claims publicly about their 
> security, but in their advice to law enforcement they say "The text of Kik 
> conversations is ONLY stored on the phones of the Kik users involved in the 
> conversation. Kik doesn’t see or store chat message text in our systems, and 
> we don’t ever have access to this information." [1] It's not P2P, so this 
> seems to imply that E2E encryption is happening. This is highly unusual of 
> course-most apps make bold security claims publicly and undermine them in the 
> fine print but the opposite appears to be going on here.
>  
> [1] 
> http://kik.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Kiks-Guide-for-Law-Enforcement_July-17-2014.pdf
>   
> Some other thoughts:  
>  
> >  1) Size of target population:  Email has a huge userbase, and email
> > addresses are widely shared, so spammers are able to harvest huge
> > target lists.
>  
> If you scale by people interested in/susceptible to spam, these populations 
> may remain low. I think they lean young and tech-savvy. Also there is very 
> little commercial use of these channels which makes spam stick out more.
>   
> >  2) Cost per communication:  Sending a single email is very cheap,
> > compared to (say) postal mail
>  
> This may be non-zero for messaging apps because all benefit currently from 
> only being accessible via proprietary apps. I'm not sure which have been 
> reverse engineered successfully-I believe WhatsApp and SnapChat have been at 
> least partially reverse engineered but I'm not sure for the above. Surely a 
> motivated spammer could create a compatible app to send spam for free, but 
> that's a non-zero barrier to entry.
>   
> >  4) Ability to attribute and penalize the sending user:  Free email
> > accounts and easy signup make it hard to impose a cost on abusive
> > users.
>  
> Certainly these are all centralized systems with the ability to ban sending 
> users. The key question is, how hard is it to create accounts? It would be 
> interesting to survey what info each requires-which verify phone numbers, 
> etc. Phone numbers are definitely a non-free resource. iMessage and BBM 
> Protected may also utilize some sort of unique device identifiers which are 
> even less free.
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