I meant more like 40 years... not 7/8 years :) ... if this why they don't care about the data then they are really far-sighted and confident...
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Wasa Bee <[email protected]> wrote: > I am confused: if whatsapp *really* does E2E encryption so even *they* > cannot snoop on messages in bulk (i.e. at scale without doing it per-user) > and therefore cannot mine the data, why did Facebook spend 19Billion $ for > it? Is this a gift to the world? Are there at least metadata they can glean > from it? Or is it just that having yet another app running on people's > phone gives them more data to crunch throu? > > Whatsapp currently has 600M users [0] paying 1$/year, so within 7/8 years > or less (since user base will likely grow) Facebook will have recovered as > much as they've spent for the purchase. Is this why Facebook does not care > about whatsapp data? > > [0] > http://www.statista.com/statistics/260819/number-of-monthly-active-whatsapp-users/ > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mike Hearn <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm just curious: I'd not trust the communication via WhatsApp is secure >>> because of its closed source, Android, Google Keyboard and everything else, >>> but when you say WhatsApp E2E encryption is pretty close to intercept-proof >>> for all governments but the US, how do you suggest they can intercept the >>> messages? By choosing weak keys? >>> >> >> Force Facebook to do a key rotation on the target account with a MITM >> controlled key. In practice that just means get a court order. >> >> The question is not "can they intercept WhatsApp communications" as the >> answer is clearly yes. It's "who can make them do it". The UK in particular >> has been making noises lately about getting a lot more aggressive with >> Silicon Valley tech companies and forcing them to basically give GCHQ >> everything, all the time. Cameron is dumb enough he might actually try >> this, whatever the costs. It boils down entirely to a question of politics >> and commerce - how much leverage does a country have over Facebook? >> >> Note that given everything was SSL protected before, and WhatsApp I >> believe does not log messages so could not provide past messages anyway >> (except perhaps if they were buffering up waiting to be delivered?) and >> keys can be changed at any time or forward security disabled entirely for >> certain user populations without them knowing .... then using the >> TextSecure protocol inside SSL doesn't actually change much immediately. I >> see it more as a useful next step, that can be built upon to achieve more >> impactful change in future. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Messaging mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://moderncrypto.org/mailman/listinfo/messaging >> >> >
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