At 08:30 PM 17/04/2001 -0400, andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip

> > now.. ;)
>
>I took it of the list since it's not really a metacard matter;-)

i think it would be nice to see in this post more debate & discussion about 
the programming process, & general philosophy on the future of said matter :)

>If you got to learn the language good for you it has many built in
>features which in metacard would require scripting but I was unable to
>learn more then basic stuff.
>I found the ease of the language deceptive in the sense that simple
>things are English-like but a more useful (read complex) syntax is
>totally unintuitive, hard to associate with anything "language" and
>relies to much on memory rather then association. Besides, no UI.

it is very easy to be spoiled by mc in relation to language structure & syntax
it would also be nice if mc did everything
but a nice analogy to the way i see mc is the old C++ & assembly mix
C++ [for its time] simplified computer programming while assembly modules 
added the raw speed when required
times change & now high level scripting languges & higher cpu speeds have 
transformed the whole software engineering process

i like mc, it suits my cross platform development needs well.. not 
perfectly.. not yet

for example i wont use mc for developing 3d apps but i do like the fact 
that there will be a tighter integration with quicktime because it 
simplifies mc development.. why reinvent the wheel when you can add other 
wheels & bolts to create a vehicle which can do the job

graphically rich application spaces are now available to developers & users

mc is great as a interface development tool.. a recent project of mine 
consisted of a database (luv Valentina) & business system for central 
australian artcentres .. it was a beautiful thing.. graphically & design 
wise.. it doesnt frighten end users & it does the job.. multipage txt/gfx 
reports & all :) ..

personally i like developing rich interfaces on top of graphics, QTVR & 
video... these things entice user interaction

mc is one layer in a stack representing a fully functional system
but it is the layer which should bring all the elements together & supply 
flexible control

>But like I said, give me the info on your proxy (name, platform,
>anything else meaningful) and if I can reproduce it I'll try to make the
>library work with proxy authentication also. This is the big advantage
>of having the web stuff in a library as opposed to built in: the
>overhead for changes is minimal.

at this point, all i know about this is:

sample proxy txt from a mc get command on any url:
Generated Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:35:39 GMT by webcache.gu.edu.au 
(Squid/2.3.STABLE4)

the university is running:
netscape enterprise server 3.5.1

i look forward to developing rich peer2peer apps with 2.4 ;)

Alex Shaw
Intermedia / Fine Art Dept.
Queensland College of Art
Griffith University
Australia


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