Please remove my name from the metacard mailing list. thank you -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:15 PM Subject: Digest metacard.v004.n392 > >-------------- BEGIN metacard.v004.n392 -------------- > > 001 - "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon@i - Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? > 002 - "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon@i - Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? > 003 - Reed Martin <rmartin2@ews - Memory Usage on Mac > 004 - jbv <jbv.silences@wanadoo - Re: MC vs. Panorama > 005 - Andrew Griffin <prisimcom - Getting multiple sounds to play at once > 006 - "Raymond E. Griffith" <rg - Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? > 007 - andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Re: MC vs. Panorama > 008 - Karl Becker <karl@karlbec - how do I turn off the focusColor? > 009 - Jacqueline Landman Gay <j - Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? > 010 - Reed Martin <rmartin2@ews - Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? > >This is the MetaCard mailing list. >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm >Please send any bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.1 --------------- > >From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:13:18 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 2:15 PM -0700 7/12/01, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>If I set the focusColor of a field to empty, it uses the focusColor of its >>owner. But in my layout I don't want the focusColor to show at all -- how >>can I turn it off? > >You can use a rectangle with a line width of 2, in a layer higher than the field, and the same color as your card. Set the rect of the rectangle like so: > > put the rect of fld "someField" into tRect > put 2 into tAmount > subtract tAmount from item 1 of tRect > subtract tAmount from item 2 of tRect > add tAmount to item 3 of tRect > add tAmount to item 4 of tRect > set the rect of grc "hider" to tRect > >As long as "hider" is above "someField" you won't see the focusRect, at least on my Mac you won't :-) > >I have a stack that shows this, if I haven't been clear. > >Right now doing this plays hob with the insertion point -- the cursor goes away for me. I'll write that aspect up more formally as a bug report. > >Obviously this would be a less wonderful solution if you had the field over graphics or something. But for a solid color it works. > >gc >-- > > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.2 --------------- > >From: "Geoff Canyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:13:18 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 2:15 PM -0700 7/12/01, Richard Gaskin wrote: >>If I set the focusColor of a field to empty, it uses the focusColor of its >>owner. But in my layout I don't want the focusColor to show at all -- how >>can I turn it off? > >You can use a rectangle with a line width of 2, in a layer higher than the field, and the same color as your card. Set the rect of the rectangle like so: > > put the rect of fld "someField" into tRect > put 2 into tAmount > subtract tAmount from item 1 of tRect > subtract tAmount from item 2 of tRect > add tAmount to item 3 of tRect > add tAmount to item 4 of tRect > set the rect of grc "hider" to tRect > >As long as "hider" is above "someField" you won't see the focusRect, at least on my Mac you won't :-) > >I have a stack that shows this, if I haven't been clear. > >Right now doing this plays hob with the insertion point -- the cursor goes away for me. I'll write that aspect up more formally as a bug report. > >Obviously this would be a less wonderful solution if you had the field over graphics or something. But for a solid color it works. > >gc >-- > > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.3 --------------- > >From: Reed Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Memory Usage on Mac >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:08:42 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > >Hi all, > >I've got an app that uses some rather large images (dimension-wise, in >actual disk space size the biggest is 48k), and it seems to cause MetaCard >to use extraordinary amounts of memory... > >One window should contain about 100k of images -- why, when I monitor >memory usage, does it need 20Mb extra when I open the window? The images >are all on the disk loaded with fileName properties (aka, not imported). >The images and the stack are all set alwaysBuffer to false. I know that MC >puts all images in RAM, but with only 100k of images, why would it use up >20Mb extra of memory? Is there any way to keep images in "disk cache" >instead of loading them into memory? > >Any ideas on how to lower this restriction? I open 3 windows like the above >and my app is using up 90Mb of memory, which is simply ridiculous... Am I >missing something vital as far as memory management goes? > >Thanks, >Reed > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.4 --------------- > >From: jbv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: MC vs. Panorama >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:55:09 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <a05100305b77504f03b21@[188.9.94.76]> > > > >Geoff Canyon : > >> At 8:57 PM +0000 7/13/01, jbv wrote: >> >But if you start the kind of above description, you'll just look like a >> >weird hacker and will probably loose the client... >> >> So you don't describe it like that. Instead you say, "We use a binary tree database with doubly-linked records." If they ask for clarification, describe the effect of those aspects, not the underlying technique/technology. "A binary tree speeds searches by minimizing..." etc. >> >> gc >> -- > >I see your point, however there are some magic words that make >you "look professional" : for instance Access, Java, asp, Director >(oooh I'm gonna get flamed for that one), etc etc. > >On the other hand, sentences like the ones you mention above will >make everybody fall asleep, or say "yuck, who's that creep ???? " >Sorry folks, but I'm talking about real life... Lots of ppl / companies / >agencies / whatever who pay for a CD-ROM or a website don't have >the slightest idea of what's going on behind the screen, and they need >the magic words to feel in confidence. > >Besides, there are also economic & logistic considerations : in case >you get a terrible accident shortly before the whole project is finished >or decide to give up any software development activity and hide out >in a tibetan monastery for the rest of your life, who's gonna help >your client with that "binary tree database with doubly-linked >records" ? > >JB > > > > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.5 --------------- > >From: Andrew Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Getting multiple sounds to play at once >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:21:13 -0700 (PDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I'm using version 2.2.3 of MetaCard and I need to have >at least 2 sounds play at once. Is using the >MCIsendstring (is that right?) a way to go about doing >this? I know upgrading may be the answer, but I don't >have the money right now. Any help would be greatly >appreciated! > >--Andrew Griffin >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.6 --------------- > >From: "Raymond E. Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:16:39 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Jacqueline Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 13 Jul 2001 agreed >with Dave Cragg's plaint. >> >> Dave Cragg wrote: >>> >>> As it stands, I'll be unable to use 2.4 for a large part of my work. >>> This is a pity as there are so many fine new features in there. I >>> wonder how many others are affected by this. >> >> I am one of those affected. I have been wondering what to do about the >> focus border problem. There are a couple of projects where I am going to >> have to stay with 2.3.2 because of it. Part of the problem, for me, is >> that the outline is drawn around the outside of the field (making it >> larger) rather than within the borders of the field itself (as Netscape >> does). This affects where one can place surrounding objects. >> >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> HyperActive Software | 612-724-1596 >> Custom hypermedia solutions | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > >I agree. The focusColor is a distraction, and not at all what I need for my >work. ***PLEASE RECONSIDER TO MAKING IT OPTIONAL IN 2.4!*** > >Thanks, > >Raymond > > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.7 --------------- > >From: andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: MC vs. Panorama >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:51:06 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <a05100305b77504f03b21@[188.9.94.76]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >jbv wrote: > >> Besides, there are also economic & logistic considerations : in case >> you get a terrible accident shortly before the whole project is finished >> or decide to give up any software development activity and hide out >> in a tibetan monastery for the rest of your life, who's gonna help >> your client with that "binary tree database with doubly-linked >> records" ? > >Under those circumstances I would let the client worry about that ;-). > >> >> JB >> >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm >> Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list. > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.8 --------------- > >From: Karl Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:25:20 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Dave Cragg wrote: >>> >>> As it stands, I'll be unable to use 2.4 for a large part of my work. >>> This is a pity as there are so many fine new features in there. I >>> wonder how many others are affected by this. >> >>I am one of those affected. > >I haven't used 2.4 too much yet, but I can see this being a bit >problem for a project or two I have coming up - namely, a game. In >games, HIG are usually thrown right out the window in order to get >something to look "cool" and "neat," and having a border stick its >butt outside of the field's rect is a bit annoying, if not crippling >to some applications... >I notice the Finder doesn't have a focus color border when you edit >an icon's name, and AppleWorks, Eudora, and plenty other text-editing >programs don't put a focus border around the main typing space... > >I suppose one hack around this would be to make text fields that you >can't have borders with wherever you want them, set their lockText to >true, and then put keystrokes into the field by way of a card-level >keyDown handler with a global that would store which field it should >put newly-typed text into... but this is a hack for basic >functionality here 8-) > >Actually, if we're really adhering to the HIG, shouldn't the >focusColor not be able to be chosen by MC developers, and only by the >user? ;-) >Only giving a hard time, aside from this quirk 2.4 looks to be a >great product... but Scott, please, couldn't you find a little time >to sneak that property in, even at this (admittedly really late) >stage of development? You'd make at least three of us (by the count >so far) very happy. >-- >Karl Becker, KB Productions - http://www.karlbecker.com >Featuring:New Tricks, Tiger's Eye Pub, and The Fishin' Hole > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.9 --------------- > >From: Jacqueline Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:45:33 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Scott, if the problem with changing the way the focus border works is >because it will impact coding all through MC, maybe you could do just a >minimal alteration before 2.4 goes final. Of course, I have no idea what >would be involved, but I wonder if it would be easy enough to just >change the way the border draws so that it is inside the field instead >of outside of it. That way, people who don't want a focus border could >simply set the focuscolor to the same color as the field's backcolor and >it wouldn't show. > >Would that be an easy enough fix that the change could make it into 2.4? > >-- >Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >HyperActive Software | 612-724-1596 >Custom hypermedia solutions | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > >--------------- MESSAGE metacard.v004.n392.10 --------------- > >From: Reed Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: how do I turn off the focusColor? >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:29:28 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: inline > > >> You may want to reconsider whether that should be optional: >> <snip> >> If you really wanna be HIG-compliant, go ahead an add a multi-column list >> object. :) Otherwise, I'd settle for some way to turn off the >> focusColor. > >While UI guidelines call for the focus in a text field, I can think of >numerous examples, say, this email client, that I'm typing in, that doesn't >hilite the field. In fact, generally in the Mac UI the text field is only >hilited if it has no scrolling... > >> There are probably other circumstances where we might want that off as >> well. > >Yep. If every text field was left as the 3D opaque white-background text >field, then we could have it on all the time, as per UI guidelines. >However, since text fields are used in many different ways that just that... > >> And if you've suddenly gotten religous about the Mac UI, at this point >> you're alone: Amelio fired the HI research team, and Steve Jobs never >> rehired them -- merely replaced them with graphic artists. Usability on >> the Mac is passe with OS X.... Apple has effectively been running blind >> for years now in the one area which has always been their market >> differentiator. > >I agree. As a Human-Computer Interaction major, it really pisses me off >too. Apple spent years and years researching UI guidelines for their HIG, >and as of Mac OS X, it's just "whatever looks pretty". I like the OS X >interface, but it just flies in the face of usability research in so many >ways. (Like Windows, hem :-) I met with the HI team at Apple (it's what >they call them) and explained my concerns... > >Here's a good example of things are different: "I liked the double scroll >arrows on the bottom in Mac OS 9 that was introduced because of NeXT. What >happened to them in Mac OS X? They're not even an option!" > >Response: "Well, we just think the scrollbars look a lot nicer with the >balance of having an arrow on each end" > >Great, lickability comes before usability. If they're not going to hire >their own UI team, then at least read up on the HI research that's been >going on... I was kind of hoping to work for Apple on their HI team, but >not if that's how they work now... > >Best, >Reed > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > "Life is too short to use anything but a Mac" -- Roger Ebert >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Reed Martin | 300 N. College St >Campus Representative | Northfield, MN 55057 >Apple Computer | (507) 646-5333 >Carleton & St. Olaf Colleges | [EMAIL PROTECTED] >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >--------------- END metacard.v004.n392 --------------- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, not this list.
