That doesn't match the other of the two examples I gave: the family x e. A
|-> (/) is always a disjoint family. This is not injective as a function
because (/) is returned many times.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 4:57 PM Peter Dolland <[email protected]> wrote:

> However, I would prefer to define the disjointness of an *indexed family*
> by ensuring the injectivness of the index map:
>
> _iDisj_ iMap <-> ( Fun `' iMap /\  _disj_ ran iMap )
>
> What do you think about?
> Am 14.12.2024 um 23:09 schrieb Peter Dolland:
>
> Okay, thank you, I see the difference.
> Am 14.12.2024 um 21:04 schrieb Mario Carneiro:
>
> `Disj_ x e. A B` is about disjointness of an *indexed family* of sets
> B(x), where x ranges over the index set A. It says that if B(x) and B(y)
> share a common element, then x = y. This is a stronger notion than
> disjointness of a set of sets, which is what your _disj_ does, since here
> you can conclude only that if B(x) and B(y) share a common element then
> B(x) = B(y). For example, a family of empty sets of any cardinality is a
> disjoint family, and a family of sets x e. A |-> { 0 } is disjoint if and
> only if A has at most one element. You cannot express the latter theorem
> using _disj_, because if you try to convert the indexed family into a set
> of sets you just get { { 0 } } (or (/) if A is empty) which is a disjoint
> family of sets.
>
> Conversely, you can define _disj_ in terms of Disj_ though: _disj_ A <->
> Disj x e. A x .
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM 'Peter Dolland' via Metamath <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Can anybody help me to understand the definition of Disjointness:
>>
>>      df-disj $a |- ( Disj_ x e. A B <-> A. y E* x e. A y e. B ) $.
>>
>> ? What means x, A, and B  here?
>>
>> What about my alternative definition as 1-ary predicate:
>>
>> _disj_ A <-> A. B e. A A. C e. A ( B = C \/ B i^i C = (/) )
>>
>> ? Would it be provable:
>>
>> $p _disj_ A <-> Disj_ x e. A B $= ? $.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
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