Dear Robert;
Thanks a lot for your valuable advice and information.
Also, I really did not mean you in my previous reply ([meteorite-list] One last try) though it came as a reply to a message you initiated. Your comments such as: "Probably beating a dead horse" and the like are not to be mentioned amongst what others said. I can take that with good lough. I know I am a "hard case".
I appologise to you in particular for what I said in the previous reply.
Robert; who said I am not accepting all the advice,,, I also acknowledged that many times in- and off-list. I have really benefitted from this list and I thank all positive and constructive repliers.
 
Many Thanks & Best Wishes
Mohamed
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:17 AM
Subject: Constructive info

Hi George,
 
Thanks for the quick reply.
 
There is no doubt that Mohamed is a difficult case.  However, he is not a lost cause 
>  (realizing that you have never made such a claim). 
 
I agree with you -- there's always hope.  If Mohamed finds a mentor he trusts, he
has the potential to go far -- thanks in equal parts to his enthusiasm and fortuitous
desert locale.
 
> I agree, Mohamed does not have enough experience in recognizing real meteorites. 
>   But eventually he will. 
 
It has always been my desire to shorten the time span associated with "eventually" --
for no one's benefit but Mohamed's.
 
> There were only two or three responses to Mohameds posts which offered 
>  helpful information.  And I was one of them. 
 
Yes -- your post of January 13th was one of the constructive ones, as were mine
from January 7th, 12th and February 3rd.  Other positive posts were made by
Bob King on the 13th, Allan Treiman on the 31st, and Graham Christensen's
and Bob Verish's also on the 31st.  There were other helpful posts (early-on)
that I did not file.  The point is people ~did~ try initially, but evidently gave up
when their return questions went unanswered, or their advice went unacknowledged
and seemingly unappreciated.
 
> When Mohamed says that he "knows" his rocks are meteorites, it is clear to me that 
> he is simply very hopeful. 
 
You may be right about this.  It's not always easy to tell if someone is
being literal or not when you can't hear the words being spoken.
 
>  I think many people have percieved Mohamed inaccurately, which is always 
>  easy when it comes to email and foreigners.  Sometimes I misunderstand Matteo. 
 
"Sometimes?"  ;-)  In Matteo's case, it's clear he doesn't speak English at
all, but rather is using a Babel-fish-type translator.  So his occasional (frequent?)
unintelligibility is mostly the fault of the translation software.  Mohamed, in
contrast, seems to have excellent English skills.
 
Mohamed:  you have passion, and that by itself can take you far.  But you
must also have trust.  I honestly want you to find meteorites, and would love
nothing better than to find ways to help you do so.  Here is a checklist that
will help you succeed:
 
1.  Buy a strong, rare-earth magnet.  Aside from your eyes, this is the single
  most important meteorite hunting tool you can invest in.  If you can't find
 any locally, or can't locate an online business that will mail one to you,
 let me know and *I* will mail one to you.
 
2.  Forget about metal detectors for now -- they will only slow you down.
You can cover much more area per unit time with your eyes.
 
3.  If you ever have overcast days (probably pretty rare in Oman) -- these are
EXCELLENT meteorite hunting days.  The flat lighting makes it much easier
to detect subtle color differences (see #10 below).
 
4.  Resolve yourself to the fact that the first meteorite you find is almost
certainly going to be an H- or L- ordinary chondrite.  If 1 in 1000 meteorites
is a lunar meteorite, for instance, then on average you could expect to
find 693 other meteorites before you'd have a 50:50 chance of finding
a lunar -- and that assumes that all meteorites are equally recognizable.
(A weathered lunar or Martian meteorite is very difficult to visually distinguish
from common terrestrial rocks.)
 
5.  In light of #4, purchase a small diamond stone to "window" candidate
specimens in the field.  Be sure to use distilled water or alcohol when
windowing promising stones -- your diamond stone will last longer,
and any possible meteorites won't be damaged by chlorine and
other impurities found in tap water.
 
6.  Buy a 10x or 12x hand lens (loupe) for examining both the exterior and
the windowed portions of your magnetic finds while you're in the field.  When you
window an ordinary chondrite, the slurry that develops on the surface of
the diamond stone will be a muddy brown color.  If the slurry is red or
black, then the stone is probably hematite or magnetite respectively.
 
7.  Be very skeptical of any rocks you find with gas holes in them,
especially interior gas holes that are revealed by windowing.  Also
be quick to toss out any rocks that have solid dark interiors, or
dark interiors with only occasional small crystal inclusions (called
phenocrysts).  These are almost always basalts.  Your third image
down on this link:
 
 
shows the rock interior to have the same color as the exterior --
a clue to its terrestrial nature.
 
8.  Pay special attention to surface texture.  Meteorites don't tend to
have the rough, gritty surfaces that you see in many of the pictures
you have posted so far.
 
9.  Compare desert-varnished stones with pictures of fusion-crusted
meteorites. There are differences:  some obvious, some subtle.  Fusion
crusts are very thin, and often have a cracked egg-shell look to them
due to contraction during cooling.  The fourth picture down on this link:
 
 
is desert varnish on what appears to be oolitic limestone.  Oolites are
not chondrules.  If you slice through one, you will see an onion-like
interior structure which is not exhibited by chondrules.
 
10.  Exterior color is one of the best initial discriminants, which is why
I earlier recommended taking a somewhat weathered meteorite with you
when you go hunting.  Chocolate brown or rusty brown (the color of a
rusted tin can) is the color you're looking for.  As such, if you where
sunglasses, be careful about the choice of color tint.  I find it much
easier to recognize meteorites without sunglasses than with them
because most have undesirable color filtering, making it harder to
distinguish fine shades of orange, red and brown.
 
There are other meteorite hunting basics, but these are among the most
important.
 
Best of luck,
Rob
 

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