Thank you Carl for that clear explanation, actually I was in the corner
on this one with Regine - couldn't follow any of this unambiguously
until now, but simply though I'd wait until it was properly aged for
public consumption to ask. Way to go Ruben! Carl, Your question about
Bob Haag's pecan-sized piece you already answered yourself - if it
hasn't been classified and it is not obviously paired to Cat Mountain
by reasonable cause, then it is simply an unclassified stone believed
to be a meteorite - so it would get no number unless it were submitted
with the same batch containing the numbers - logically they would all
be provisional numbers until a decision is made whether to 'officially'
keep numbers or not.
I think Rob or someone else may have asked this (I wondered at the time
as well), never saw the answer - but what is this 001 and 002 business
- has NomCom decided that this is now a dense desert? Sounds like it,
and given Carl's answers, rightly so .... but none of this was clear to
me until Carl made this post.
Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and
LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no
LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be
distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique /
closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c),
...
Kindest wishes
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Regine Petersen <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Sent: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat
Mountain area
is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me.
But in
the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do...
Cheers, R.
--- [email protected] <[email protected]> schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011:
Von: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
An: "Regine Petersen" <[email protected]>,
[email protected],
[email protected]
Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr
Regine,
To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS
below after each question.
---- Regine Petersen <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi Sonny and list,
can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit
confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These
are the facts as far as I have understood them:
Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder
Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found
while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces.
THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY
ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF
SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE.
There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag
which didn't get classified.
TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE
SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP
THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT
HAAG.
AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED.
Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found
two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay.
NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF
THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY
TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT
107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR
SALE BY COUNT DEIRO.
Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have
also found the Snyder Hill piece?
THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE
FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND
THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG..
Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was
found designated 001?
THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD
ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT
WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS
The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the
original find get the first number?
NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE
FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS
AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT
THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A
DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT
SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT.
001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A
SEPARATE NAME.
SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE
NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND
MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK
SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO
RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING
164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL..
IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS?
CARL
Pretty amazing finds :-)
Regine
--- [email protected]
<[email protected]>
schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011:
> Von: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
> An: [email protected],
[email protected]
> Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr
> Hi Carl,
>
> These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example
to
> everyone that if one meteorite is found return and
check for
> more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a
> different fall. The number one key is to spend time
in
> the field and to have fun!
>
> Sonny
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdtucson <[email protected]>
> To: meteorite-list <[email protected]>;
> wahlperry <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
>
>
> Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and
finder are
> also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995.
They
> also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of
that
> Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also
had
> no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find
until
> now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT
strewnfield back
> in 1995 and I was with them when they originally
found
> Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden
and
> Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill
and
> the very next day Dave found the other half on the
opposite
> side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and
each
> half went it's own direction. They were later reunited
and
> they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it
a
> million times. "Go back and search where meteorites
have
> been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave
> tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me
he had
> not ever been back since his first find until this
past
> March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This
story has
> another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone
was
> worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was
afraid
> to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to
ask
> questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true
find
> location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly
documented
> and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went
back to
> the hill because that is the only place he had ever
found a
> meteorite and low and behold he found another of the
holy
> grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT
itself. He
> says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and
some
> nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks
like
> Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if
they were
> 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl--
>
>
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and
> a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is
a
> well-armed lamb contesting the vote". ---- [email protected]
> wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale
on
> Ebay.> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c>
> > > >
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