Hi,

You may or may not remember that what made
possible the positive identification of Martian
meteorites AS Martian meteorites was that we
had samples from the Martian surface.

No, not rock samples, nor any returned samples,
but the isotopic composition of rare gases in the
Martian atmosphere, which made a distinctive
and unusual signature (particularly for Argon).

The SNC's shared this unique signature. It was
like a fingerprint. And possible only because we
had a lander on the surface.. Mercury has no
atmosphere of any consequence and we have
no lander there.

It's always possible that our present sensing
capacity will turn up something as definite, but
I can't think of what it could be. Believe me, I've
tried.


Sterling K. Webb
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury


Hi Pete and List,

There is really no evidence that supports the Mercury-angrite
connection.  However, if a meteorite from Mercury is ever confirmed,
it is expected to be similar to angrites.  Because angrites are so
unusual (in comparison to other meteorites) and they possess
properties that would be expected from a Mercury meteorite, they are
the leading candidates.  But as far as I know, nothing definitive has
ever come to light that makes a solid connection between angrites and
Mercury (or any other parent body).

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 1/8/12, Stuart McDaniel <[email protected]> wrote:
That is what was mentioned in the article.



Stuart McDaniel
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-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Pete
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 3:12 PM
To: [email protected] ; meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury




Hi, All,



I know there's been only scattered remarks about the Messenger mission, but
is the current consensus that angrites do not originate from Mercury?



Best,
Pete



From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:20:11 -0800
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury


http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/Wanted-Meteorites-from-Mercury-136803313.html

Wanted: Meteorites from Mercury
By Kelly Beatty
Sky & Telescope
January 6, 2012

During a recent science conference discussing Messenger's results from
Mercury, investigator Shoshana Weider (Carnegie Institution of
Washington) commented, "Short of landing on the surface, picking up a
rock, and bringing it home, the instruments on Messenger that
characterize chemistry are the best we're going to get."

Well, Shoshana, you might still get to hold such a rock someday.

According to a 2008 analysis
<http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.4038.pdf> by Brett Gladman
and Jaime Coffey (University of British Columbia), chunks of Mercury
should be lying somewhere on Earth right now. The dynamicists conclude
that 2% to 5% of the debris blasted by impacts off the surface of
Mercury at or above escape velocity (2.6 miles per second) should reach
Earth within 30 million years.

Their numbers suggest that Mercurian meteorites should be roughly one third as common as those from Mars, for which the count now stands at 60. Gladman conservatively suggests that at least a half dozen stones should
be
lying around somewhere on terra firma.

Meteorite collectors would value a Mercurian meteorite above all others, likely fetching $5,000 or more per gram, so they've been on the lookout for one. A few years ago, prior to Messenger's arrival, meteoriticists
had speculated that the best existing match to Mercury were a rare
handful of ancient, basalt-rich stones known as angrites
<http://research.jsc.nasa.gov/PDF/Ares-1.pdf>.

But even before Messenger's arrival, ground-based astronomers had
concluded that Mercurian surface rocks contained very little iron -
strange indeed, given that the innermost planet has an iron core that
takes up 80% of its diameter and more than half of its volume!

"At that time," comments geochemist David Blewett (Applied Physics
Laboratory), "people were expecting Mercury to have a composition more like a lower-iron version of the lunar highlands. We now know that it's much different than that." After nearly a yearly scrutinizing the planet from orbit, Messenger has confirmed that iron is in short supply at the
surface.

Instead, the compositional clues suggest that a Mercurian meteorite would be an igneous rock - or perhaps a fused breccia of different rock types - rich in magnesium and volatile elements (especially sulfur and potassium). This closely matches the composition of another rare meteorite group, the aubrites. Also known as enstatite achondrites, aubrites are igneous
rocks dominated by the iron-free mineral enstatite (Mg_2 Si_2 O_6 ).

But aubrites aren't from the innermost planet. For one thing, they're
too reflective - anything coming from Mercury would be much darker,
tinted by some yet-to-be-identified compound that's seen widely
<http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA14492> in Messenger's
images. It might also smell faintly of sulfur, appear heavily shocked, exhibit significant exposure to cosmic rays, and might even be slightly
magnetic. Such characteristics would certainly have come to the
attention of hunters and collectors, and it's safe to say that none of
the world's 40,000 well-documented meteorites are from Mercury.

Yet dynamical probabilities argue otherwise, so why haven't such samples been found? Gladman and Coffey didn't address how chunks of rock might
get blasted off the Mercurian surface, only that the high collision
velocities of asteroids and comets should make it easy to do so.

Maybe the launch mechanics aren't understood well enough, suggests Jay Melosh, an impact specialist at Purdue University. "Perhaps at the very high speeds required for direct transfer, the fragments are simply too
small," he says. "These ejecta have to be launched from the surface
very close to the impact point - and perhaps our current models do not give very good results here." However, Messenger finds that big impacts
on Mercury are accompanied by clusters of secondary pits, created by
tossed-out debris, that are generally much larger - not smaller - than those around comparable lunar craters. "This fact is one of the current
big puzzles about the Mercurian cratering record," Melosh concedes.

And so the search goes on for what will almost certainly be the most
celebrated meteorite discovery since the finding of stones blasted from
surfaces of the Moon and Mars a few decades ago.

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