Hello again List. On the quantitative and qualitative scope of things, (and for me as a VERY meager collector of meteorites, yet with a huge affinity for the aesthetic, rarity and important meteoritic knowledge)... and since this discussion surrounds how large a main mass is (it remains unobtainable to me, and doesn't really matter at this point).... tangibly having a specimen under the scope as a vision to further understanding relegates the $ value to the backseat.

It does, however, reflect the global relevence: "how significant is my specimen in grand scope?" Quite frankly: negligible.

When I learn of how large a main-mass is, it's important for me to divorce the quantitative relevence of my insignificant morsel from the aesthetic. Otherwise, I'd go nuts!

Richard Montgomery




----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Loeffler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?


Thanks to those who chimed in.

I agree that it's not a scientifically useful stat to keep track of, but
many people have asked for trivial info about meteorites before, and they
will continue to do so after we are all worm food.  This is just an
interesting little tidbit that some people wonder about, so having a list in one place would be nice. Data such as the year in which a met was found, or the location where it was found, is not scientifically important (we've seen the arguments on this list before), yet each met entry in the MB db has the
year and location because people want to know those things.  But I
understand why you wouldn't want to do this on the MB db... it would
definitely take some time to compile.

Regards,

Bob L.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff
Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

None of this is something I want to track in the MB Database.  It would
be too difficult and time-consuming to track an ever-changing and often
controversial list.  Moreover, as you say, it isn't a particularly
useful thing to tabulate. I'll leave it to collectors to take on this task.

Jeff

On 1/25/2012 5:15 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:
" A main mass list? Heck, there isn't even a "main mass" definition
everybody agrees on! Here's mine:"

Hi Jeff, all,

A main mass has some scientific value IMO in some circumstances.  But
really, it seems to me one of those things that we keep having to fill
out on a boilerplate form that serves of little real scientific
value.  Better would be to drop the confusing, unfortunately now
unscientfic (due to the various definitions as you already reminded
us) term "main mass" and just have an entry called,

"biggest known piece" = BKP

which is already used analogously in the case of TKW.

in the database.  It's really what most collectors are interested in
anyway and would create probably a bunch more of limited useful
information llike the TKW's which frequently are significantly
understated.  My take on a 'main mass' wouldn't require it to be more
than half, but rather the principal piece of the original meteoroid
from which all fragmentation is derived, and the one expected to
travel furthest up the dispersion ellipse's axis shedding it all.  I
suppose a scenario of a boulder splitting into two equal pieces would
screw that up too, but then we could drop some fancier names to
describe that 'degenerate' case.

Just sounding off

Kindest wishes
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Grossman <[email protected]>
To: meteorite-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 11:33 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?


 A main mass list? Heck, there isn't even a "main mass" definition
everybody agrees on! Here's mine:

"An individual stone/iron or piece of an individual stone/iron that
comprises the majority (> 50%) of the known mass of a named meteorite."

Jeff

On 1/24/2012 10:08 AM, Bob Loeffler wrote:
Hi list,

After looking at Jim Strope's photos of the New Concord main mass
(Rocks
from Space Picture of the Day a couple days ago) that he got in a
trade with
ASU (my alma mater; Go Sun Devils!), I thought of a question:

Who has the most main masses in their collection?  Of course, I
thought of
people like Bob Haag, Mike Farmer, etc and museums like the
Smithsonian,
ASU, etc.

Has anyone ever put together such a list?  Because of trading, the
list
might be hard to keep updated, but maybe not since main masses are
coveted
and might not be passed around too much.  For new falls, the main
mass will
change as newer/bigger pieces are found, but I would think "someone
in the
know" could put together the list, or at least start it.

If nobody has such a list, maybe the Meteoritical Bulletin Database
could
have a few more fields added for easy searching.  Fields such as Main
Mass
Weight, Main Mass Owner and Main Mass Image (for the best photo of
the main
mass), and then the Owner field could be easily changed if the
Meteoritical
Society finds out that the main mass was sold/traded to someone else.
Anyway, just a thought.

In case you are wondering, I have no main masses in my collection.
:-(

Regards,
Bob L.


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