Hi All,
The use of the word "Hammer" when referencing/advertising meteorites,
should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact
(man made object).
Using the word "Hammer" or Hammer Fall" in advertisements to sell stones
that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing,
especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later
when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an
inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not
understanding the difference between the terms "hammer stone" and
"hammer fall".
An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words "Hammer Fall" in
advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period.
Regards,
Eric
On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote:
Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE
meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges.
There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges
meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for
misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from
him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would
venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and
that's what he's counting on!
Anita
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Mike and all,
I agree with you the marketing "Such and Such Hammer Fall" is very often
misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious
express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that
actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that
it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree.
However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few
grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core sample taken from
it. His records showed it did NOT come from the Smithsonian's specimen but
rather the museum that held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams
total and was sold to the market back in 1999.
The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have
been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. Personally I would think
they should have a very significant premium over the "Non-Hammer Syclaga"
pieces. A side note, due to the core shape, "full slices" of the core will be
coin shaped and part slices should have at least part of the edge in a arch.
Steve Arnold
Host of Meteorite Men
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Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:39:54
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,
Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City,
Barwell& more meteorites ending on eBay soon!
Except the sylacaga
Stone which hit the woman is actually in Alabama. The pieces of sylacaga in
collections are from the larger stone found later in a road. So actually none of
the private collections contain the woman hitting stone.
Otherwise having trouble following your post.
Michael Farmer
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On May 13, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan<[email protected]> wrote:
Now thats some proof :) and a hammer stone I think would turn heads from the
Sutter's Mill HAMMER STONE FALL. I bet when its said and done, there will be
more of stones found on top of builds and roofs within the area the meteorite
fell because of it fragmenting in the atmosphere, only time will tell. But for
those of you that collect hammer stones or meteorite from HAMMER STONE FALLS the
Sylacauge I would say is the king of all HAMMER STONE FALLS just for the fact
two stone came from that fall, making one a hammer stone as apposed to Sutter's
Mill HAMMER STONE FALL were there has been over 60 individual stones and
fragments found so far and more being documented. So in a since the probability
of a hammer stone will be alot higher than from Sylacauge HAMMER STONE FALL.
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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To: Michael Farmer<[email protected]>
Cc: Shawn Alan<[email protected]>; meteoritelist meteoritelist
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:23 AM
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List
There is another hammer stone but the owner and her husband have not gone
public yet. They will next week when she gets back home. This one embedded
itself on her shed and she has the mark to prove it. I will have them contact
Michael Gilmer and Peter J.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Michael Farmer<[email protected]> wrote:
Why does everyone keep putting hammer-stone in their descriptions? You do not
have piece of the hammer-stone, so putting it in the auction title implies that
you are selling a piece of the house hitting meteorite when you are not. Please
correct the auction to inform the buyers that they are NOT buying a piece of the
house hitting Sutter's Mill specimen.
Just because a single piece of this meteorite hit a house, does not mean every
gram of the meteorite found can be considered a "hammer". That is a scam to rip
people off.
People, this is why you MUST know and trust your seller. Greg Hupe and I have
already been contacted by several known scammers trying to buy pieces of our
meteorite. We are not responding. We put a premium price on the unquestionably
documented meteorite which hit the house, was seen on BBC live and is not
disputed by anyone. Don't be fooled by people selling you other material
coat-tailing our specimen. We kept record of every speck sold and can trace
them back to the buyers.
A meteorite of this rarity is likely to attract some unscrupulous sellers, know
your source!
Michael Farmer
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On May 13, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Shawn Alan<[email protected]> wrote:
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