Good job Mark! Context an essential element to truth.
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From: "Mark Bowling" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
Not meaning to get off topic, but check your facts Mike. That is not
true - nobody was trying to open the Grand Canyon National Park to mining.
The mining closures "at the Grand Canyon", that people have challenged are
OUTSIDE the Grand Canyon Park Boundaries, on land that has been open for
claiming since mining claims have been granted. So it is not true that
they are trying to mine the Grand Canyon and certainly nobody is trying to
rape it.
What has happened is companies have spent millions to develop claims in
good faith, on land they were guaranteed as open to claiming. Basically
the Feds changed the zoning on them, after they have poured a lot of money
into their projects.
Nobody is trying to open mines inside the Grand Canyon! They are
challenging the unlawful closure of claimable land. Congress creates park
land, not the executive.
This administration is basically abusing their power by expanding park
boundaries without technically doing so. Just like they have inacted these
new BLM rules with no PUBLIC INPUT!
Don't listen to the talking points and dig into the situation a little.
Look at the maps of the park and the maps of the lands closed to claiming.
They are not park lands....
Sorry to get political, but the truth is our legislature turned a $3B
budget deficet into a $400M surplus. Something I wish the Feds would do...
We need to craft a response to these new BLM rules and begin to push back.
That is our only hope to change things.
Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Farmer <[email protected]>
To: Paul H. <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules - Proposition 120
This was talked about last year by our amazing Arizona government as a way
to open mining in Grand Canyon, a horrible idea by them to profit from the
rape of our most beautiful national park! The state wants "sovereignty" to
pillage anything of value. This same state government and our esteemed
governor sold the state capital building I fund the government during the
downturn, only to pay it off and buy it back last year, a $130,000,000
"million" dollar scam and loss to the taxpayers.
We can not trust them to take care of anything.
Go Feds, tell Brewer to "shove off". Since the federal government bought
Arizona, all federal lands need to be protected from these short-sighted
politicians looking to line their own pockets!
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 23, 2012, at 9:26 AM, "Paul H." <[email protected]> wrote:
In “New BLM Rules” at
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2012-September/087388.html
Jim Wooddell wrote,
“In light of these new meteorite rules, the people
of AZ have Proposition 120 to consider. In a nut
shell, it's AZ telling the Feds to go pound sand and
reclaim sovereignty they should have had in the
first place.... which is a states right! Something we
all should seriously look at and consider. I know
politics are vodoo here...so I wont state an my
opinion. It does directly effect meteorite hunting
in the State of AZ. How this plays out will be
interesting, to say the least.”
There is an article about Proposition 120 in:
Proposition Challenges Control Of Federal Lands
Move to seize 25 million acres divides candidates
for Legislature by Pete Aleshire, Payson Roundup,
September 23, 2012.
http://www.paysonroundup.com/news/2012/sep/14/proposition-challenges-control-federal-lands/
The article states:
”Many opponents maintain that the whole crusade
amounts to a waste of time and effort, since federal
courts have repeatedly ruled that federal law takes
precedence over state law and that states have no
power to nullify federal law, including the landmark
Cooper v. Aaron case in 1958. The federal government
acquired much of Arizona from Mexico through the
Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican-
American War. The federal government acquired the
rest of the territory through the Gadsen Purchase. By
contrast, the 13 original colonies entered the union
with very little public land.
As a result, a number of independent legal scholars
have concluded that the federal courts would quickly
overturn the measure even if it passes, according to
an analysis of the proposition published by the
Morrison Institute for Public Policy.”
Look at:
Perkins, E. J., 2012, Understanding Arizona's Propositions:
2012 Series. Prop 120 – State Sovereignty Act. Morrison
Institute for Public Policy, Arizona State University, Phoenix,
Arizona
http://morrisoninstitute.asu.edu/2012-understanding-arizonas-propositions/2012-prop-120-state-sovereignty-act
I would not hold my breathe waiting for proposition
120 to change matters as far as the BLM goes.
Also, one result of proposition 120 would be to turn
all national parks, including the Grand Canyon, within
Arizona to the state of Arizona, who could then sell
this property to private individuals and corporation
to do what they want with them. Destroying all of the
national park system within Arizona seems to be a
steep price to pay for getting rid of BLM regulations
that people do not like.
Also, you may find state officials no different, or even
worse, than federal officials with which to deal. Be
careful for what you wish.
Best wishes,
Paul H.
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