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-----Original Message----- >From: Dori Fry <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 15, 2013 3:05 PM >To: "Sterling K. Webb" <[email protected]> >Cc: [email protected], JoshuaTreeMuseum ><[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Sterling, > >Nobody knows what life is, plain and simple. The wisest, most wizened >theologians and the brightest scientists in the latest techno-labs don't have >a clue. Nobody knows what the ghost in the machine is. Or how it arose from >matter. > >What I said was life seems to arisen by chance on our planet, and therefore it >could possibly happen again elsewhere. > >You said: "Is our planet special?" Yes, our planet is incredibly special, it's >the most perfect goldylocksy place ever! > > >Yes, 2500 yrs ago all they had were atoms. Nowadays we have quantum particles >and a stringy, vibrating web of particle waves that can be two places at once. >Matter may not be solid after all. An entirely new parallel universe may be >created ever time we make a decision. There may be near infinite copies of >each and every one of us. Physics is turning into metaphysics. Materialism as >we know it may be fading away. There might be massless forces lacking a Boson >that we know nothing about. (The Force.) Particles may have a simple >consciousness. For all we know meteorites may be intentionally aiming for the >Sahara's soft sands. (Comic relief and steering the thread back the physical >world of meteorites.) > > >Phil Whitmer >Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Sterling K. Webb <[email protected]> >To: JoshuaTreeMuseum <[email protected]>, >[email protected] >Sent: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Phil, List > >You said: >> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionism, >> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and >> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random >> arrangements of organic molecules. > >That is EXACTLY how science defines life. >All science is materialist, reductionism, and >physicalist. If you believe something else, >then whatever that thing is, it is NOT science. > >Yet: >> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according >> to the laws of probability... > >So, life can't arise by chance on OUR planet but >it CAN on some other planet. Would you explain >the logic of that to me? Or is our planet special? > >2500 years of having the structure (and eventually >the workings) of matter explained by Leucippus, >Democritus, Epicurus, through Galileo, to Dalton, >Bohr, Heisenberg, Einstein, and hundreds of others, >and you still don't get it. > >I'll give you a 2500-year-old quote that you can >repeat quietly to yourself until you DO get it: >"There are atoms and the void and nothing else." > > >Sterling K. Webb >------------------------------------------------------------------ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:50 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology >Stuff > > >> Mark, >> >> I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been >> lifeless. If it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to >> Earth, with all the right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't >> hold my breath while looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. >> Abiogenisis is an extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity. >> >> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist, >> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and >> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random >> arrangements of organic molecules. >> >> Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the >> building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth >> had a reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van >> Gogh by microprobing his paints. >> >> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according >> to the laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter how >> weird, bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will >> happen again. >> >> >> We'll know more in a million years. >> >> Phil Whitmer >> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >> >> >>>>>Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth)> - That's fine if >>>>>your looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally >>>>>define life (and not just some grey area about self reproducing >>>>>molecules) would we know 'it' if we saw it? >> >> >> >> Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life >> on Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have >> gone from theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or >> forests to a small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging on >> deep underground near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we >> should, but at some point in the near future we should probably give >> up and start face to reality, and think about sending some resources >> elsewhere - where frankly the chances are a looking little bit higher, >> e.g Europa. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Michael Mulgrew >> Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04 >> To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff >> >> Sterling, >> >> Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on >> Mars will likely be found there. >> >> Michael in so. 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