re: 'Navato'
To repeat a comment I made to a Facebook thread that parallels this one...
"It would seem to me that the more accurate "Type Sample" amount IS the
entire 29 grams ['donated' by Lisa Webber and Glenn Rivera]!! Obviously some
material is eaten up for analysis so the only hold up for official name is
for SETI to hand over what is left over of the 29 gram 'Type Sample' that
was [most generously] donated by Lisa Webber and Glenn Rivera. Kudos to Lisa
and Glenn!!!"
I personally see no need for other to chop up the few stones that were found
from this fall because of some 'confusion'!!! (I did not hunt Navato so I
have no personal fight here other than give credit to the 'owners' of the 29
gram original stone!!)
Best Regards,
Greg
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Verish
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:50 PM
To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved,not
just Novato)
Very good post, Michael.
And thanks for making my point - if Novato is already classified (L6 br),
you would like to update your database and fill out labels with an
officially approved name. How long of a delay and why is there a delay?
-- Bob V.
http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg108950.html
--- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritem...@gmail.com>
wrote:
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritem...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update (All recent falls unapproved,
not just Novato)
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 2:51 PM
Hi List,
I wasn't pointing fingers or trying to refer specifically to
Novato.
I may have come off that way, I am afraid. I meant in
general with
all falls, and this recent mention of Novato jogged my
memory about
the recent spate of unapproved falls. I had meant to
post to the List
a couple of weeks ago about this same issue, but I got
side-tracked
and forgot. The Novato discussion reminded me.
I'll post something
to the List to that effect.
My main goal is the same as most - to see Novato
classified.
Regardless of who found what or who has what specimen, I'd
just like
to see it in the Met Bull and in MAPS journals. That
won't happen
until the kink in the hose is worked out, so to speak.
As was pointed
out - look how quickly Battle Mountain got
approved. Novato fell
over a densely populated urban area, Battle Mountain fell
over
underpopulated BLM land. Both are OC's. Why so
quick with one and
not the other? Same with that Alabama fall (Addison?)
- another
stoppage in the pipeline somewhere.
We need to encourage people to come forward and get finds
classified,
and not make it more difficult. If we publicly nitpick
and clobber
people for not handling the classification properly, then it
will make
others reluctant to come forward. We should be
positive and say -
look, who cares why it took so long for this particular
fall, let's
just be happy it is getting done now. Everybody still
wins.
Some of us collectors are the nitpickers. I want
something official
to put on my labels for my falls collection. I have no
dog in this
fight other than science.
Best regards and happy huntings for all,
MikeG
> --- On Tue, 4/30/13, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritem...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato update
>> To: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
>> Cc: "Alan Rubin" <aeru...@ucla.edu>,
"Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral"
>> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>,
"Matson, Robert D."
>> <robert.d.mat...@saic.com>,
"Robert Verish" <bolidecha...@yahoo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:24 PM
>>
>> Agreed, somebody needs to cough up a
>> piece to consolidate the type
>> specimen and satisfy the requirements for
publication in the
>> Met Bulletin. That is how it should be.
Until such a
>> specimen is analyzed, submitted, and approved,
>> it is not a meteorite, it is a rock
>> that is suspected to be a meteorite. Giving
it any
>> unofficial name
>> does not make it a meteorite, unless that name is
approved
>> by NonCom.
>>
>> Everybody wins when the specimen is classified and
approved
>> via an
>> open, transparent, and "official" manner.
>>
>> There are too many falls that are not approved
yet.
>> Going back to the
>> year 2000, there are seventeen (17) falls that are
not
>> officially
>> approved yet. They come from all corners of
the world
>> and some are
>> very well documented, but have not been approved
for various
>> reasons.
>> For example, someone earlier mentioned that Canada
does not
>> drag it's
>> feet on classifications and would simply buy the
type
>> specimen. Well,
>> there is the Montney fall from 2005 that is lost
somewhere
>> in the
>> system. Canada is usually pretty quick, but
why hasn't
>> Montney been
>> approved? Is there doubt about the fall in
some way,
>> or is it a
>> problem similar to Novato where it is a bonafide
fall but
>> has not been
>> approved for logistical reasons?
>>
>> Collectors and probably some scientists are eager
for a few
>> recent
>> falls to become approved. Until these
meteorites are
>> approved, they
>> cannot be published in most peer-reviewed
journals.
>> And until they
>> are approved, there will always be an element of
reluctance
>> on the
>> behalf of some collectors.
>>
>> Zunhua? No doubt there. Penetrated a
house and
>> was documented
>> thoroughly. Why hasn't this one been
classified
>> yet? What are the
>> Chinese waiting on? Nobody else outside China
will
>> submit it for
>> classification because it is a scientific courtesy,
so will
>> it remain
>> in limbo forever because .... ?
>>
>> Katol? It's distinctive and on the market.
>> Again, there is no doubt
>> that it is a fall. Let's hope GSI submits it
so it can
>> be published.
>> Collectors want to know. It may be a
meteorite that is
>> interesting to
>> science as well.
>>
>> Draveil? What's the hold up on this one?
>>
>> Oslo?
>>
>> The list -
>>
>> Jan 15, 2013 - "Planeta Rica" (unofficial)
(ordinary
>> chondrite?) : Colombia
>> Feb 11, 2012 - "Huangzhong/Xining" (unofficial)
(L6
>> chondrite?) : China
>> Mar 01, 2012 - "Oslo" (unofficial) (ordinary
chondrite?) :
>> Norway (Hammer)
>> May 03, 2012 - "Diplo" (unofficial) (ordinary
chondrite?) :
>> Pakistan
>> May 22, 2012 - "Katol" (unofficial) (achondrite) :
India
>> (Hammer)
>> Jun 03, 2012 - "Comayagua" (unofficial) (ordinary
chondrite)
>> : Honduras (Hammer)
>> Jul 08, 2012 - "Jalangi" (unofficial) (ordinary
chondrite?)
>> : India
>> Oct 12, 2012 - "Beni Yacoub" (unofficial)
(ordinary
>> chondrite?) : Morocco
>> Oct 17, 2012 - "Novato" (unofficial) (L6 chondrite)
:
>> California USA(Hammer)
>> Oct 30, 2012 - "Addison" (unofficial) (ordinary
chondrite?)
>> : Alabama USA
>> Dec 16, 2012 - "Algeria" (unofficial) (LL
chondrite?) :
>> Algeria
>> Jul 11-12, 2011 - "Draveil/Essonne?" (unofficial)
(H
>> chondrite?) :
>> France (Hammer)
>> May 01, 2010 - "Breja/Taouz" (unofficial) (LL6
chondrite?) :
>> Morocco/Algeria
>> Mar 01, 2009 - "Cartersville" (unofficial)
(ordinary
>> chondrite) :
>> Georgia USA (Hammer)
>> Apr 12, 2008 - "Zunhua" (unofficial) (L4
chondrite?) : China
>> (Hammer)
>> Sep 07, 2007 - Guadalajara (L or LL3 chondrite?) :
Mexico
>> (Hammer)
>> Jul 17, 2005 - "Montney" (H6 chondrite?) : Canada
(Hammer)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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