So, you won´t lighten up, Adam?? Is this the spirit of the list, after all? I think Art has done a great job by temporarily rejecting mails for everyone to come down to Earth again. Gary made a great response, I concur with that. The "Big Boyz" will always have their playgrounds here, but just don´t tax Art´s patience over the limits... We had and we still have fun here for more than a decade now, so why not just be a little more humble and stay in overall good spirits..? :-)
Then again: shake, rattle and roll! Alex Berlin/Germany > Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juni 2013 um 18:22 Uhr > Von: "Adam Hupe" <[email protected]> > An: Adam <[email protected]> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer > > I will not lighten up. This is very serious. I have no problem whatsoever > with Andi. One or two mistakes over a long period of time is understandable. > Taking immediate responsibility for a mistake is admirable and the right > thing to do. > > It is when I see a pattern that I become alarmed. I have observed > long-winded descriptions in the artifact market. This is reason for great > concern. Genuine artifacts with proper papering stand on their own and do > not need novels or excuses to describe them. One just needs to contact the > authenticator with a unique serial number and any doubts will be removed. The > same goes for coins, baseball cards and many other high end collectables. Do > meteorites need to go the same way? > > > In meteorites, collectors depend more on trust than papering. It would be > cost prohibitive to have independently produced C.O.A.s with unique serial > numbers for each every named specimen. This is where trust comes in. Trust > can only be violated so many times and then confidence goes away. I see this > happening now. > > > > Adam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Fujihara <[email protected]> > To: Adam Hupe <[email protected]> > Cc: MeteorList <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer > > Aloha Adam, > > Lighten up. As Alex stated, no one is perfect and immune from making errors. > We are all human and we all make mistakes. Martin and Andi have been gracious > to admit their mistake and accept responsibility for their parts in this > unfortunate incident. And for that, I have the utmost respect for them. > > Andi, keep up your good works in meteorites, and Martin, please get out in > the sun again - vitamin D is good for you and the pasty look is most > unbecoming. ;^) > > gary > > On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:51 AM, Adam Hupe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How many bites at the apple do you want? How many more reputations need to > > be destroyed? How many times does this have to happen in order to > > completely destroy collector confidence? I had my worst week ever on eBay > > after this latest incident. It not only affects collectors, it undermines > > those who vet their products properly. > > > > I think an exclusive apology to Mike Farmer doesn't go far enough. > > Distributing fake ID cards along with the bogus material and then claiming > > it came from a Meteorite Icon has gone way too far. Any meteorite dealer > > who has been around for a few years would have recognized this material for > > what is really is; "Garbage put on the market in order to fleece collectors > > out of their hard earned money" > > > > Happy Collecting, > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Martin Altmann <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 5:33 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] My apology to Mike Farmer > > > > (A.S.: Hi Art, please let it through, it's important for me, but also for > > the collectors for not falling for the same scam) > > > > > > Hello, > > > > After a few days of contemplation (sorry for having been slow, but they were > > necessary for me to cool down), > > I want to publically and cordially apology to you all, and especially to > > Mike Farmer, hoping he will accept it. > > I was wrong and my reaction was crude, unjust and inadequate. > > All three specimens in question turned out to be fakes. > > > > Mike was right > > and due to his expertise it was avoided that the pseudo-Estherville came in > > further circulation, > > neither the forged Bondoc nor the faked Murchison were distributed, > > so that a direct damage, caused by my fault, to the community was averted. > > Therefore we have to thank Mike. > > > > Those fakes must have been built by someone, who has a deeper knowledge > > about meteorites, > > as it's relatively uncommon, that classical names of semi-rarely meteorites > > are used and the fakes equipped with a legend and labels. (So far we can > > recall only another case, the forged Dhofar-Moon, which was more easy to > > unmask, as the specimens came with a "certification" of the university > > Muenster, which doesn't issue such, and the find was only one stone, so that > > the finder himself immediately could identify them as fakes, as no fragments > > of that stone did exist). > > > > We tried to investigate the case further, fearing that more of such fakes > > will appear to the harm of the collectors. > > But the seller seems to be now untraceable. > > His name is: Jankó Zoltán from Hungary. He claimed to have purchased an > > older mineral collection a few years ago, where these specimens were a part > > of among other meteorites. And the collector's name, he gave, is: József > > Vida from Derecske. > > > > So we ask you all, to be extremely cautious (and to inform us) if persons of > > these names contact you. > > > > > > Well, 33 years I was able to sort out the fakes, wrongs, mislabeled ones, > > now I failed. > > That shouldn't and that mustn't happen and is in that field unforgivable. > > (At least, after having learned the lesson, also to behave better, I hope to > > stay fake-free now till 2046). > > > > > > So I end with the necessary: Mea maxima culpa, > > and stay in silent contrition until I'll be allowed > > to see the sun again.. > > > > Martin Altmann > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. > PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
