The one thing we can agree on is the lack of quality network and cable television. I concur with ending this topic on that note. http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3275/ocyb.jpg
Now back to our meteorites, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I agree 100%. > And since this show was not about meteorites, perhaps we can drop the topic, > though it does affect us in many ways. Meteorite and treasure hunting do > overlap. It seems the dumbing down of America is complete. Paris Hilton is > laughing all the way to the bank. > Michael Farmer > > On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Discovery, Learning Channel, and A&E are wastelands of tripe now. I >> remember when TLC had "learning" on it. I remember when Discovery was >> about science. I remember when A&E had "arts" on it. Now it's Dog >> the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what >> they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out >> contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian >> channel is getting a little dodgy. >> >> I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless >> "binoculars" that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best >> optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the >> world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars >> for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of >> scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those >> advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from >> advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print >> magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless >> junk on their readers and viewers. >> >> I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. >> >> Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than >> they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into >> File 13. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have >>> been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it >>> might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show >>> sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like >>> buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want >>> to hear about happy things, little puppies and "Hannibal Nectar's" lost >>> razor blade:) >>> Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop >>> donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this >>> garbage. >>> >>> Michael Farmer >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Michael Farmer, why is posing a "could be" statement stupid? They say >>>> "could be" because those things "could be" true. They're probably >>>> not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could >>>> be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this >>>> list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their >>>> panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to >>>> the producers and express your displeasure. It "could be" that you do >>>> not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy >>>> some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, >>>> American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, >>>> Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? >>>> >>>> And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do >>>> with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the >>>> Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for >>>> official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a >>>> result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real >>>> life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to >>>> the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a "could >>>> be" statement, too. Such a vicious circle. >>>> >>>> Michael in so. Cal. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> It is just really stupid to say that "this could be Kitt Carson's powder >>>>> horn" or "Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade". This is entertainment for the >>>>> lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on >>>>> National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would >>>>> have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching >>>>> this phony drivel. >>>>> I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done >>>>> them all, successfully. >>>>> These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that >>>>> they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly >>>>> focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through >>>>> years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain >>>>> shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock >>>>> picked up? >>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, "Bob Loeffler" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 >>>>>> years >>>>>> or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and >>>>>> Gold >>>>>> Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite >>>>>> hobbies >>>>>> (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, >>>>>> they >>>>>> are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just >>>>>> entertainment. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much >>>>>> something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a >>>>>> really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was >>>>>> worth >>>>>> around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've >>>>>> added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 >>>>>> episodes >>>>>> of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I >>>>>> can >>>>>> remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be >>>>>> priced >>>>>> at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. >>>>>> Would I >>>>>> pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that >>>>>> might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay >>>>>> $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them >>>>>> DID >>>>>> wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from >>>>>> a >>>>>> reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes >>>>>> had >>>>>> lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of >>>>>> cool >>>>>> looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for "doing the right >>>>>> thing" and not putting a hefty price tag on them. >>>>>> >>>>>> The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the >>>>>> beast >>>>>> (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having >>>>>> fun, >>>>>> doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. >>>>>> Sometimes >>>>>> annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael >>>>>> Mulgrew >>>>>> said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others >>>>>> that >>>>>> they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. "we got >>>>>> permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever >>>>>> you >>>>>> go") and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead >>>>>> grass, >>>>>> etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about >>>>>> someone >>>>>> (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these >>>>>> guys >>>>>> leave. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just went to the Diggers website >>>>>> (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: >>>>>> >>>>>> "As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that >>>>>> Diggers >>>>>> adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that >>>>>> the >>>>>> historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any >>>>>> way." >>>>>> So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Bob L. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> Farmer >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM >>>>>> To: Michael Mulgrew >>>>>> Cc: Meteorite List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight >>>>>> NGC >>>>>> >>>>>> Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat >>>>>> Geo >>>>>> channel has sunk so low. >>>>>> Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of >>>>>> anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink >>>>>> so >>>>>> low. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Farmer >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam and list, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand, >>>>>>> from the "Diggers" themselves) that they do not keep anything they >>>>>>> find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have >>>>>>> roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used >>>>>>> solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect >>>>>>> of a cable television show. You and all other treasure hunters know >>>>>>> that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't >>>>>>> for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about >>>>>>> treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and >>>>>>> getting crazy when they find something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the "real >>>>>>> world" practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the >>>>>>> target audiences for these types of shows. If I was the worlds >>>>>>> greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm >>>>>>> sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of >>>>>>> us elite and dedicated Pickers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not >>>>>>> meant to be taken seriously. Mainstream network news >>>>>>> (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these >>>>>>> shows, and I view it in the same light. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael in so. Cal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits. These >>>>>>>> guys >>>>>> on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community. >>>>>> Treasure >>>>>> hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode >>>>>> knowing >>>>>> that these guys violate the rules and are ruining it for everybody >>>>>> else. >>>>>> The Cascade Treasure Hunting Club reminds its members that these guys >>>>>> are >>>>>> just rogue entertainers and that they are not real treasure hunters who >>>>>> tend >>>>>> to keep their finds to themselves or only share them with other club >>>>>> members. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lets go find some "Nectar" , "Juice" and "Roundness", baby talk terms >>>>>> used on the show that no real treasure hunter would get caught dead >>>>>> using in >>>>>> the field! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6615 - Release Date: >>>>>> 08/28/13 >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list [email protected] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
