I really don't think this discussion belongs here, but since you are
talking about the area where I grew up, rather than just where you drive
through, I feel I must comment. The San Joaquin/Central Valley of
California is so vast that it has more than one common name. You can't
treat it like it's one place for agriculture. The agriculture in the
north is very different from the south, and that of the west is very
different from the east. The source of water for agriculture on the east
side is underground or from canals that originate in the Sierra Nevada.
Each drought has put pressure on both sources, but agriculture still
thrives. The biggest issue on the east side is that the population keeps
expanding into the farm land. As a result the water table keeps going
lower. The source of water on the west side is underground and the
Sacramento river delta. The delta water was promised to farmers but
never fully delivered. When the wetlands started to disappear the water
rations were set ever lower (thus the signs about the government). With
large populations, wild lands, and agriculture all fighting for the same
water something is going to have to give. This is not a matter of
over-regulation, but one of necessary resource management. Better ways
of using the water with less waste, both for the residents and by
farmers is the only reasonable solution, and of course, people like our
friend here will cry foul about that, but this is simply a natural
result of having so many people living in such close quarters. You can't
just pretend it's still the wild west and let everybody use all the
water they'd like to.
Between all the ads and the non-meteorite related political discussion
on this list I am considering unsubscribing.
Greg
On 12/9/2014 1:16 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
I would say it is more the fault of farming in a land where it never
rains! The Central Valley may have great temperatures for farming,
but it has no rainfall. Sin we have a 16 year drought, I guess
farming the sand is ending poorly.
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On Dec 9, 2014, at 12:43 PM, GREG LINDH via Meteorite-list
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, well CA doesn't put out as much produce as it used to.
Whenever I go back to CA from AZ, in order to visit family, I drive
up and down Interstate 5. For practically the whole I-5 part of my
trip I see empty, dusty fields where there used to be beautiful
orchards and lands full of all kinds of fruits and vegetables. Now,
just dusty, empty fields......oh yeah, and hundreds of signs that
say, "Congress Created Dustbowl". Yup, devastated, dry land, all
because Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and crew wanted to save a
minnow in the California Aqueduct. If I'm not mistaken, that minnow
is not even native to the region. It was imported. That's CA for
you.
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 16:17:39 -0800 To:
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[email protected] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List From:
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Average gasoline prices in Arizona ($2.57/gal) are about 13%
lower than California ($2.97). How does that 13% difference turn
into an almost 100% (claimed) increase in your fill-up?
California has more than 3 times the lane-miles of Arizona and
it's drivers account for 11% of ALL of the miles driven in the
entire country (more than 5 times Arizona drivers, and we have a
lower fatality rate because no one from Arizona can drive worth a
damn), so yes, our roads do get used and abused and could use
some love. Believe it or not, road maintenance is what the fuel
tax is used for, we just have a lot more roads that need
maintaining.
And "most" produce comes from California. And by most we're
talking a huge majority. Some comes from Mexico, some from other
places, too, but California is our nation's produce isle.
Michael is so. Cal.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Raremeteorites via
Meteorite-list <[email protected]> wrote:
I do stay out of California unless managing one of my
over-taxed investment properties.. It cost nearly twice as much
to fill up my gas tank there as it does in Arizona. They were
the first state to have a major city go bankrupt demonstrating
their ability to manage taxpayer funds. I do not know what they
do with the nations highest fuel tax. It sure isn't put into
the roads. I will not drive at night in parts of California
since they can't even afford to paint the lanes or put up
reflectors. I once went airborne at night while pulling my
enclosed car hauler trailer since California was too cheap to
mark a raised railroad crossing.
I have seen better roads in third-world countries. As far as
produce goes, most of it now comes from Mexico.
Again, no thanks,
Adam
Drive at your own risk ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Michael Mulgrew" <[email protected]> To: "Raremeteorites"
<[email protected]> Cc: "Meteorite List"
<[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December
08, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not met.
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No other state even comes close to California when it comes
to produce production, so it follows that no other states
would have to enact protections as tough as California. Don't
like it, then stay out of my state (and stop eating fruits,
nuts, and vegetables altogether, chances are they were grown
here).
Michael in so. Cal.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Raremeteorites via
Meteorite-list <[email protected]> wrote:
That's California for you. Too much governmental control
and wasted tax payer money. They tax (fleece) everything
and the roads are crap! I can tell when I am entering
California from Arizona or Nevada just by the condition of
the roads and the agricultural check points. First you go
from a smooth freeway into a patched together,
multi-colored, quilted road surface with no shoulders and
than go through the indignity of an inspection station just
have any American grown produce thrown in the trash.
No thanks!
Adam
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Wooddell via
Meteorite-list" <[email protected]> To:
<[email protected]> Sent: Monday,
December 08, 2014 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not
met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List
Keeping this meteorite related, the California bug
stations even look for firewood coming in from other
states. So for example you are planning a meteorite
hunting trip into or through California and figure you
would like to haul some firewood with you, you might want
to know that they may or will seize it at the border
inspection stations.
Jim Wooddell
On 12/8/2014 6:51 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
wrote:
That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and
ship goods to you in violation of California law? They
could be prosecuted for that.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Michael Blood via
Meteorite-list <[email protected]>
wrote:
NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION
Hi All, Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. As
some of you know, I grow exotic plants, have a
Greenhouse, etc. Unfortunately, CA is THE worst state
when it comes To importing plants. <SNIPOLA>
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