As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some point. Sheeeesh.... Most of these terms are absurd.
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list <[email protected]> wrote: > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful > Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on the mass > is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the > region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful... > > Cheers, > John A. Shea, MD > IMCA 3295 > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com > > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds: > > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and > finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, which can > be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall. > > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be > falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls: > > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable > doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or > with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical > evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur > immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event. > > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations of > an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains > some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the event, or > about the nature of the event itself. > > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines > to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, including > application of DCA numbering sequences. > > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information > that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be > insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems > consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of > the event itself. > > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that > may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of > the event itself. > > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was > submitted concerning the fall circumstances." > > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: > > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" > <[email protected]> > Date: May 21, 2021 > To: "bill k" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx > (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The Nomenclature Committee of the > Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions. > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such > > designation exists. > > > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially recognized > > term? > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > > > > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such > > > designation exists. The features of this meteorite are consistent with a > > > residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; > > > Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite. Please remedy as > > > we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is > > > blurred. > > > > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION > > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS > > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB > > > > Northeastern Province, > > > > Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/ > > > > > > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may > > > > arguably be classed at the top of all large iron meteorites to be > > > > offered at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in a > > > > local family's garden, after it fell on Nov. 27, 1997. 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