Hi Mark,
I am thinking that perhaps there are
interpretative rules that may vary from country
to country. At least here in Italy and a little
more generally in Europe, a certificate is an
important document and as such its value can only
be given if it is drawn up by a person or body
legally responsible for doing so. If everyone
could draw up any certificate on their own, it
certainly would no longer have the same value.
In the specific case you write "In this case the
seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the
meteorite he is selling." In this case the
document cannot define a certificate but rather a
self-certification or rather a self-declaration,
which are very different things.
At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote:
I guess I am just not understanding how the word
"certificate' is misrepresenting anything. I
am not sure where the text you copied came from
or how it relates, but the word certificate is
appropriate when a specific entity is formallyÂ
stating something. In this case, the seller is
"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite
they are selling. It is correct usage.  The
cards I use don't actually say "certificate of
authenticity" on them  but when customers ask
about a "COA" I know what they are talking about
and don't see anything wrong with the
term. They clearly know that it is the seller,
and not some other entity, making the claim that
the item is authentic, so there is no problem of
confusion of what it means. Regarding the
issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller,
times change. It could be that at one point
people might have found the term weird, but for
new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of
a purchase. If they asked for one and you said
"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that
would indicate to them a lack of
seriousness. The difference is that the term
"label" doesn't imply that the seller is
vouching for the authenticity of something --
and although it is true the owner would be
responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for
it or not, there is really no downside to
vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some
piece of mind to have a document providing
provenance in which the seller stated that the
item was genuine. But if you don't like the
term certificate of authenticity, don't use it
on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that
there is anything incorrect or dishonest or
unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally.Â
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri
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Dear friends,
I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot
misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can
lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller.
..............................................................
Significato della parola âCERTIFICATOâ :
  In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è
un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto
ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la
certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto,
terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato,
indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO
e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)
 Â
<https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato>https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato
Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":
  In summary, it can be said that the
certificate is a certificate of conformity
(issued with respect to a specified
specification, there is no generic certification)
issued by a subject, third party and authorized
(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by
law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.)
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