Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?

[Dave Andrews]

Ball lightning?  I've seen it before and it could possibly fool people 
into thinking it is a meteor.  Now about making some type of fulgurite, 
I couldn't tell you.

Just a thought.

Dave

Adam Hupe wrote:

Hi Tom and List,

The problem with this material is that it does not contain any metal.  If it
was in a reducing environment why isn't there any metal, even at microprobe
levels?  This almost certainly eliminates this material coming from an
industrial process, at least none that I have ever heard of.  If it came
from a foundry why wasn't the sand melted in the center.  The sand is also
trapped in sealed vesicles, that look almost like chondrules, like a
condensation product, which is extremely odd.  It was extremely difficult to
make thin-sections of this stuff because of the friability of the material
trapped inside.
Will update as we get more results,

Adam

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Hello All, This Elma stuff sounds like a metal casting bi-product from a
foundry. Is there a foundry in our around Elma?
Thanks, Tom
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fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering pieces of
"basaltic" glass with sand inside, sounds like some atmospheric event
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From: Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM
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Hi Mike, Mike and List,

The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite, so to speak.  It
       

could
 

prove to be just as or more interesting to the scientific community.
       

The
   

jury is still out on exactly what this material is or how it was
       

created.
   

The initial lab results created more questions than answers. As has
       

been
 

reported this material consist of sand incased in a basaltic glass
       

shell.
   

The materials in the glass are not separated into swirls so what ever
created these objects had a huge amount of energy and the glass was
       

quenched
     

very rapidly. Experiments are being conducted to see how these might
       

have
   

been created.  We should have more answers by next week.  This is
       

looking
   

more like an X-files episode than a meteor sighting.  For now, we are
keeping an open mind regarding this material.
All the best,

Adam and Greg Hupe



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Groetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM
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Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell that a
         

meteorite
       

was recovered there.
Mike Farmer
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From: "Mike Groetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:35 PM
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Everyone-
  Is this all said and done with or is the jury still
out with any maybe's?
Thanks,
Mike
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