Do you really not have a clue as to why this happens? Think about it a while.
Randy
>From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "almitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:43:28 -0700
>
>Hello List, I happen to love the list, but I have noticed something. If I
>post something about ebay, I get A LOT of responses, some agreeing, but
>most telling me to stop posting things not pertaining to meteorites. I
>happen to think Ebay is a huge part of our hobby, but I will no longer post
>anything about ebay for the good of the list.
> But what I find funny, is when I do post something meteorite related, such
>as a question, I am lucky to get a few responses, if any! So, what is it
>the list members want? I would bet all of the longest treads are about non
>meteorite related subjects!
>
>Thanks, Tom
>Peregrineflier <><
>The proudest member of the IMCA 6168
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 5:51 PM
>Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
>
>
> > There it is. Blaine said it for me.
> > matt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of almitt
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:39 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] A Letter From Blaine Reed
> >
> >
> > Hi list,
> >
> > Blaine has asked me to post a message he has been trying to get to the
>list
> > for two
> > days in regards to the recent fighting. Since he has no internet access I
> > have agreed
> > to post his remarks. I am simply putting this on for him and responses can
> > go to the
> > list but I hope all this will die down now. Blaine in my opinion is a
>super
> > sharp guy
> > and has a better feeling for the meteorite market than most people. I
>think
> > listening
> > to his good advise is wise. All my best to everyone.
> >
> > --AL Mitterling
> >
> > From Blaine:
> >
> > ENOUGH ALREADY,
> >
> > All of these ridiculous threats, accusations and ego battles must stop.
> > They are
> > destroying the hobby! Every time there is some kind of flare up on the
>list,
> > I get
> > phone calls from collectors asking to be dropped from my customer list
>(and
> > from the
> > number of long term collectors I no longer hear from I suspect many more
>are
> > taking a
> > more passive route to the same ends). When I ask why, they have all said
>the
> > same
> > thing; "I am no longer collecting meteorites". They tend to say that it is
> > no longer
> > fun or enjoyable. When pressed further, they have pointed to the list for
> > their new
> > found distaste of meteorites. While this may be well and fine for some of
> > us, as often
> > these people also want to liquidate their collections, it bodes the
>decline
> > of the
> > hobby. Let's look at this "hobby" thing. Some of you may find it
> > distasteful that I'm
> > putting meteorites in this realm. But, what is a hobby really about? It
> > generally is
> > something (almost anything - mountain climbing and flying ultra-lights are
>a
> > couple of
> > mine) that brings relaxation or expands your mind to consider other things
> > (meteorites
> > fit more into this aspect). Generally it is something that takes your mind
> > off of the
> > day to day troubles of the real world.
> >
> > Let us now consider how "the list" might be affecting this. The average
> > person has
> > plenty to worry about; politics and headaches at work (or more common
> > lately, whether
> > they'll even have a job next month), car troubles, problems with some
> > neighbors, their
> > kids, schools, etc. Life these days is often fast paced and difficult. Now
> > suppose our
> > "average collector" comes home from a long difficult day at work and finds
> > plenty
> > headaches (the car is damaged, junior is failing math, etc.) waiting
>there.
> > After
> > awhile our collector goes off to the computer for a little escape to feel
> > more in
> > contact with their hobby (and less with the real world). How long do you
> > suppose this
> > person will last as a collector if, when he turns on his computer, all he
> > gets is the
> > evils of the real world dumped in his lap, and often in a more magnified
> > form then
> > they would likely ever experience in the real world (it's strange, but
>I've
> > observed
> > some of the most vicious people behind a computer a computer key board are
> > some of the
> > funniest, nicest people you could meet in person)? Chances are, at the
>point
> > they find
> > that their hobby seems to be adding to their stress instead of reducing
>it,
> > they will
> > move onto greener pastures.
> >
> > I know, many of you are thinking right now B.S.. Anybody who is on the
>list
> > is a grown
> > person and likely a seasoned collector, so they can handle these mental
> > assaults. My
> > response is Wrong! Though the people who regularly post to the list may be
> > so, a fair
> > number of the observers are likely new to the hobby (in today's world, it
> > seems the
> > first thing someone does when they get interested in a new hobby is sign
>up
> > for a
> > related chat room to learn more). I even suspect there are many beginning
> > (and a fair
> > number of non beginning) collectors who would like to post questions to
>the
> > list but
> > dare not for fear of being shouted down as a moron or just plain made to
> > look foolish
> > for exposing their ignorance.
> > So what can be done? At this point it is an extremely difficult problem.
> > There are
> > many possible answers. The people involved could be drafted to help, as it
> > takes both
> > an instigator and a responder to have a full-fledged fight. I realize it
>is
> > not very
> > realistic to expect someone to be silent after someone has slammed them,
>but
> > there
> > would be no battles if they did. Asking people about other lists (in other
> > fields and
> > hobbies) has indicated to me that lists that have no or very limited
> > oversight tend to
> > rapidly breakdown into an ugly battle-zone. So, the most obvious answer to
> > the problem
> > is to have a dedicated moderator. If there is no such person now, then one
> > needs to be
> > found (and if one cannot be found then it is my opinion that it would be
> > best for
> > everyone to simply shut the list down, a measure I truly hope doesn't have
> > to come to
> > any real consideration). Their job would be to make certain that anything
> > that even
> > whiffs of being a threat, attack or slanderous statement never makes it to
> > the public
> > eye. To make their job easier in the long run, they may find it beneficial
> > to remove
> > those people that seem determined to regularly attempt to post such
>things.
> > I realize
> > that many may see this as the evil CENSORSHIP, but for the long-term good
>of
> > the hobby
> > it is necessary (and on a personal note, I don't believe "freedom of
>speech"
> > is a
> > valid excuse to ignore this job). The list should be a place for honest
> > questions,
> > answers and information about meteorites, not a forum for flagrant
> > self-promotion and
> > damaging personal attacks.
> >
> > I know I am likely just digging my own grave that much quicker having this
> > posted. The
> > rare times in the past I have had to post something I have lost customers
>in
> > droves
> > (likely those that may have considered my arguments to be against their
> > views). But,
> > if nothing is said, nothing can be considered or, better yet, changed. If
> > nothing is
> > done, there likely won't be much left of the hobby and I'll be out of
> > business anyway.
> > My hope is that some of the many of you that have expressed these same
> > opinions to me
> > in private (but wouldn't post them) will now come out of hiding. Oh,
>that's
> > right,
> > that is not likely. These are the people that have pretty much quit the
> > hobby, dropped
> > from or ignore the list and will not see this.
> >
> > Blaine Reed
> >
> >
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