Good points ... Did you ever see the movie Soylent Green ?  If not the story of Donner Pass California ?

For the greenhouse construction ... don't underestimate the value of all those glass tektites strewn around:)  I meant to ask: Would a spurious rocky remanent of an asteroid be an astite (OK, maybe not), asterite or asteroidite?

But to keep things positive, a little thinking out of the box never hurts.  I have no doubt that the construction would happen as this isn't a Hollywood terror flick, it is a "real" situation.  There is certainly several months of food supply probably at least two years out there.  Everything doesn't come out of a can, the fields wouldn't be totally destroyed worldwide.  Marshall law in plently of places would be fine, it is not too unlike many countries today, and a spirit of cooperation under these circumstances wiould certainly win out in my vision, since going against it would be bad for your health ... there would be a new class of very mad peasants...I don't think that would happen in the "developed" nations.

Oh for the thinking out of the box ... if you don't think enough food production facilities could be set up in a few months time, I disagree there.  And nuclear plants fueled by all the stockpile of arms of mass destuction sitting around.  But if I am wrong there, and all this really doesn't work as it would have to, heating massive plankton and diatom water tanks could be built virtually overnight and heated.  Presto: instant flavored whale food for distribution.  Tastes better than dog food for sure.  No doubt withing a week it could be turned into a product that farm animals like to.  Maybe not cows, so get used to rabbits and chickens.  Rabbits reproduce quickly, we are told...    Probably the flavored diatom-plankton wouldn't taste any different from tofu and they reproduce fast in warm water with a light source.  Capitalistic companis certainly would recognize the value of maintaining the customer base and not hoarding causing death and lower profits.  And everyone who could do anything to cooperate would be well compensated - and this would be the focus for everyone, so still best to be in a place like a "developed" country with material resources.

The only place this whole thing gets scary is what happens if the oceans began to freeze over.  That sounds like it would require a major impactor though.  Also, a lot of water below the frozen ocean then would make for a nice thermos.  No doubt the polar caps would get a lot bigger (and everyone everywhere would be finding more new meteorites).  But the heat capacity and greenhouse temporarily produced hopefully would give time to build massive atmospheric scrubbers.  I suspect winds would mostly die down below the obscurity so initially, bulk atmospheric scrubbing would be easier, "at any rate".

Then in the sequel to this, geothermal experts could tap into the Earth's molten magma as an additional heat source.  That would make a nice Hollywood thriller, though I feel society would adapt nicely to its new circumstances.  Might even be a good thing, there is too much nonesense going on between senslessly waring factions now.  Nothing like a common goal to unite people and bring out their best.  Whether astronauts or naughty asts.

Saludos
Doug Dawn
Mexico

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I'd have to disagree from 2 standpoints:

>It's hard to imagine even the third world countries surviving and growing
>food when it's -30 degrees C, even if their survival skills where better on
>average than those in developed countries.

eskimos, north canadians, and people in siberia, (as well as many other
places) have been doing this for ages. surely SOME people will survice such
an impact event

>Basically any society that can generate electricity can grow grops make
>heat for plants and people and provide protection, that's if civil war
>didn't break out before then!

how much food generation capacity do we have in place that can be heated by
artifical means almost immediatly (say by the next growing cycle)? if such
an impact event were to happen tomorrow, we wouldnt have time to build 100
million acres of electrically heated greenhouses. sure technology would
allow us to produce SOME food in just about any climate, but it certainly
wouldnt be enough to support a large population. I'd venture to guess that
it wouldnt even be enough to feed the farmers, electric grid workers, power
plant engineers, fuel delivery service people,  coal mine workers, and on
down the line. I just dont think artificial environments would work in the
macro sense. by the time we could ramp up production in such an environment
large portions of the population would have died from starvation. now IF you
happen to live in a community where there is a large farm, and there happens
to be some natural gas wells, and conviniently there are local power
generation capibilities, THEN maybe the citizens could work together to make
such a possibility feasible, but it would be the exception, as opposed to
the norm I'd think...

>It would be the quickest ones to adapt to a new climate that would survive,
>that is where technology comes into it's own!

that I agree with 100% but I feal you are overestimating technologies
ability to keep us alive... I'm sure it would allow a small number of people
to survive such an event, but certainly not alot of the population..

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