See Adam, that is the entire problem as I see it. We were in the field, 10,000 miles from home DOING IT, while you were sending emails and talking. I KNOW what went on there as does ERIC. WE WERE THERE, you never went there. So please dont try to tell us ANYTHING that went on in Thuathe. I love armchair warriors. Mike Farmer > Hello Eric and List, > > I will not bring Thuathe up again as I was told a completely different field > price was being paid by our supplier. I have no reason to doubt your word, > Eric so I will leave this one alone. I was only responding to an email I > thought was posted to the List earlier mentioning Thuathe. > > No hard feelings, just expressing what I believed to be true, > > Adam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls > > > > <The 23 kilograms was stuck in > > customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the > couple > > of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. > This > > caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer > > attractive and we sent most of the material back.> > >
> > These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have > kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of > thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts. > > Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for > their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 > per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that > Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony > was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price > afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There > wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we > paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same > prices again for those pieces. > > After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have > pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we "proceeded to > destroy the market" was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier > shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the > fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will > be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field > and how we destroyed the market. > > > > -- > > Eric Olson > > ELKK Meteorites > > http://www.star-bits.com > > > Dear Mike and List Members, > > > > > > This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by > some > > > as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the > new > > > fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest > > > posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in > perpetual > > > arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the > > > past. > > > > > > First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. > Check > > > with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been > > > aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for > us, > > > not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous > accusations > > > that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will > > > show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you > for > > > accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not > too > > > worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that > only > > > > > amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your > investors. > > > > > > Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we > are > > > aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, > > > that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific > > > community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you > > > recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves > made > > > it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name > and > > > classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never > > > claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom > to > > > get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this > > > dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is > the > > > last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to > the > > > plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. > > > > > > > > Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less > than > > > your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well > known > > > collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When > you > > > pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your > > > intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist > are > > > saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source. > > > > > > Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past > including > > > Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago > before > > > you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another > 23 > > > kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the > > > coordinates we "supposedly" gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in > > > customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the > couple > > > of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. > This > > > > > caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer > > > attractive and we sent most of the material back. > > > > > > As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the > Amgala > > > fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this > negativity. > > > Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some > people? > > > Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet > to > > > be translated still coming in. Stay tuned. > > > > > > Wishing everybody the best, > > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > > > The Hupe Collection > > > IMCA 2185 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
