I know that Edwin and you are good friends, and that you depend on his stuff for sale and for your auctions, so I would suggest to you that when you have stuff listed for your upcoming Tucson auction, that you make a disclaimer that tells people who submit that they better know what they are submitting and should have the rights to use the classification.
I fear that a scene will ensue if I come into your auction and find meteorites being falsely sold there using my numbers.
I have spoken privately today to several people and this is a problem which is about to explode.
Freeloaders are too lazy or cheap to do their own work and are mooching off of those dealers and collectors who take the time and spend their hard-earned money to make all of the analyses. I will not stand by quietly while people are mooching off of my work, and selling an item using false pairing claims.
This is extremely serious business.
I have more money that you know invested in my work and my stones, and I will not allow people to try and lump their stuff under my numbers.
How do you collectors feel? You are being had, being sold rocks with cards and the expectation that it is what they say it is, and now we see that isn't the case! Your stones may be worth far less than you realize if pairings are being made by looking at the outside of a stone!
I think it is time to demand paperwork from your dealers, classification data on stones, showing that it is what they say, or is fully classified as a pairing.
That is the only way we can stop this scam, is by forcing people to show documentation to prove it is what they claim it is.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Farmer & Melody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET re Another fake name, serious business
Hi Mike, The issue I made is NOT who is right or wrong. If you were to post a very similar announcement, saying you had addressed this issue with ET and was told to take a long walk off a short pier and he didn't care what you thought about what he was doing and you think collectors should be aware this is going on - THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT situation. Instead, you FIRST publicly chastise him. Whatever is going on - that is a poor start at ANY attempt for remedy, regardless of the circumstances involved. You don't know what is take on the situation is - you haven't even addressed the issue with him. MAYBE there is a good explanation - MAYBE there isn't. MAYBE he looked at it one way and will change his perspective once he hears what you have to say - MAYBE he won't.... we don't know, because YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT. There are a good many of us who will be far more interested in ANY issue you have with any other dealer IF you report civil attempts to resolve the issue on your part met with a lack of cooperation on their part. THEN I start wondering what is going on. Then I start listening to the content. However, when it is a one way mud throwing event, all I see is mud throwing - the content is unimportant to me if the process isn't clean. Other than that, thanks for a relatively civil response on your part. Sincerely, Michael
on 11/16/04 3:10 PM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael, you seem to leave out the obvious, he is using numbers for
meteorites sitting in my safe, I paid to have classified and worked.
Michael, can you explain that, or does it not matter since he is your
friend.
This is very simple Michael, no genius needed here.
I will make it simple though
Guy A owns an item.
Guy B starts selling the same item which is not possible since it is sitting
guy A's safe.
Who is the liar here? Guy A who paid to have the stone classified or Guy B
who did not?
So calm down Blood, and look at things rationally.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Farmer & Melody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ET re Another fake name, serious business
Yes, I, indeed, do have an opinion: It is one thing to lamblast Matteo, who has dealt dirty with numerous members of this list or even to sling mud back & forth between yourself and Adam - it is quite another to go off on a person of E.T.'s dignity, venerable tenure and hard earned reputation for honesty! Anyone on this list who has dealt with ET will tell you he bends over backwards for even the most obnoxious customer (I have SEEN him do this, myself), NEVER rips people off and has been dealing meteorites as long as anyone (and I mean ANYONE) in the business. You even ADMIT you have not spoken to him about this, so WHAT IN THE HELL are you doing posting it to the list!? Get a grip. If you somehow lack contact information, contact me and I will be happy to supply you with his phone number and email address. If you can't manage to act like a gentleman, at least pretend to have a modicum of decency and good business sense! Sincerely, Michael Blood
on 11/16/04 1:14 PM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone out there got any opinions on this? Here is another example of false name given to unclassified meteorite. http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa1906.htm This is POLANDMET, who has a page selling NWA 1906, a Rumuruti.
Now, here is my page, of NWA 1906, the only stone classified and given this number: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa1906.htm
The problem, that is my meteorite, one stone, no pairings ever announced.
Take a look at the two pages, the meteorites are not even similar in any
way.
Mine is NWA 1906, since I had it classified, Polandmet's does not even
come
close to mine. It doesn't look the same, it has much larger chondrules,
multicolored, and is just totally different. Not to mention that there
are
clearly two different meteorites on that same page. Note the slices at
top,
very nice clear multicolored chondrules, then the slices are the bottom,
smaller chondrules, more weathered, clearly brecciated.
These meteorites are totally different.
I am publicly demanding from Polandmet to answer this.
What makes you think that you can sell a meteorite under the number that
my
stone received? What makes you think they are paired? Why are you doing
this?
Edwin Thompson is the one who is using a whole host of my numbers, I have
not spoken with him yet, but there is no justification for it other than
trying to pawn off unclassified meteorites as names pieces.
This has the potential to collapse the entire meteorite market.
We are only as good as our name, and I have worked very hard to do things
right. I would NEVER sell someone a meteorite that is not what it is
claimed
to be.
But this is what these dealers are doing, making visual pairings to keep
from having to do their own work.
Buyer beware, it seems that the only way to get official material is to
buy
from the dealer who made the official classification.
Michael Farmer
Awaiting a response from Polandmet and Edwin Thompson.
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa1906.htm
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