This current problem will fix itself when the supplies of African and Oman meteorites dry up. Then we'll all be back to not-so-patiently waiting for new falls that never fall and hunting for individual stones and small strewnfields with always too few specimens.

There will come a day when meteorite collectors will look back at the NWA era and refer to it as the proverbial "good old days." Fifty years from now, they will read the NWA stories and see the pictures of the thousands of meteorites, and they will be in awe. And, when that time arrives, some of the people who regularly write to this list will be considered icons and revered historical figures; not too different than how we revere Nininger and his contemporaries today. Collectors will whisper the names of Killgore, Farmer, Haag, Thompson, Carion, Hupe, Ward, Reed, New and many, many others. They will covet their autographed books and brag about owning labels and meteorites from their collections.

Some of you guys might just become legends.

So, be careful what you write and say because you are becoming a part of tomorrows history.

I want my grand kids to think of you guys as heroes, so don't make me disappoint them someday when I have to tell them I knew some of you before you became gentlemen.

Off my soap box now,

JKGwilliam



At 09:52 PM 11/20/2004, Michael Farmer wrote:
Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great example of the problem we are facing.
The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068.
I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to demand that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time and material.
However, what is the solution? I really don't know.
Mike
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Mike,

Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I. They say
that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look
identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? )
People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your opinion.
Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report visual
similarity

Bob Evans

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Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against the
rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up this
disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something through
the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted.
Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour or
Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s.
Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some experience
since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend that
everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for
experience.
Mike Farmer
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> Mike, > > I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA 1877
and
> have Adam send you his.
> Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to anyone > who
> cares.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Evans
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>
>> To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in the
>> meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that
>> NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large or
>> meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my >> expeditions.
>> The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers.
>> Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper title >> (as
>> Dr
>> Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not own
>> numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens and
>> must
>> not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or someone
told
> you
>> it is the same).
>> Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our
business
> and
>> hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is guilty >> of
>> this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to start
> people
>> MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we see
> tonight.
>>
>> I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using >> numbers
> they
>> seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time you
buy
>> something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if not
> them,
>> just how they came to call it that.
>> Mike Farmer
>>
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