Well said!! From those of us who "might own" a small piece of this meteorite/ artifact. I've never seen Beaver pelts used in trade-
Grant Elliott
----- Original Message ----- From: "E. L. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] willamette iron meteorite
I doubt there is any that is legally available for collectors now that the Feds have stepped in. I am pretty sure all the Willamette meteorite is claimed and ratified by a US Federal Court as a native religious artifact by the consolidated tribes in Oregon and thus subject to return to them. They have claimed ownership of the <ahem>"main mass" in the New York Planetarium and in a legal agreement they have placed the main mass on loan rather than tear down the whole thing to get it out.
If it just came from Europe-- Shouldn't it be seized in customs? Sure it is a ittsy bitty amount-- 45 grams as compared to the main mass but those Native Americans were pretty successful and almost made the City of New York tear down the planetarium. I don't think they would tear down your house , Steve. However now that they know you know where it is they will probably ask the FBI to seize it since it has been recognized in a US Court as a native artifact. But if it were me I'd go for it and fight them in court. You might fair better being a single individual rather than being the city of New York.
You might be able to get the recognized owners to let you keep it on loan if you can trade them beaver pelts or something else they need. Maybe you could buy it and let the contact in Europe keep it for you and you can go visit it. I don't think the US law directly applies to Europeans. To get an artifact returned for overseas the owner has to go through a UN Agency and it would take a few years for them to act maybe.
Good Luck Let us know how the trade goes. EJ
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
Hi list.I need some info on the willamette meteorite.I know according to meteorites A to z, IT SAYS,a IIIAB iron, found 1902, clackamas co.,oregon.TKW is 14.100 kilo's.But what I need to know, is what is the availability in collections around the world.I am making another major trade from my collection, and I'll be getting a 45 gram slice of the willamette iron.And no it is not shale.I have seen the actual piece.The only history I know of this piece,is that it was in a major collection in europe.And now resides up here in the states.If anyone can help please let me know when you can.
steve
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