Dear Dean,
I want to personally thank you for extending Thanksgiving for us. Thanks for keeping the dead horse alive, we just can't get enough of it. If you keep kicking it long enough you will have produced so much fertilizer that you will have a heck of a bumper crop next spring.
Thanks again Dean, where would we be without fruits and vegetables!
Greg
----- Original Message ----- From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
Yes, I wouldent argue with Dr Rubin. And Rubin got a section of NWA869 and called it a L4 and then from the EXACT SAME ROCK got another section and called it an L5. Two parts of the VERY SAME ROCK that Rubin got pieces of were of a different classification. That should tell you the rock is not consistant. Then you go and sell Stan a piece of your very own NWA904 that you somehow cant figure out is mothing more than another piece of NWA869. The piece that you sold stan is so different from your photos of the other parts of the NWA904 stone (The nice part in the photo in your marketing with the black spots) that when you saw stan resell it as NWA904 (Legitamately since he got this piece of NWA904 from you - see archaives of stans postings over the past couple of days) you accuse him of substituting another rock (Presumably NWA869) and improperly selling it as NWA904. You cant even recogonize your very own NWA904 stone and you yourself is calling your own NWA904 stone 869 in your attack on stan for selling it as NWA904 saying that he paired the stone himself (When as per his email yesterday he bought this NWA904 directly from you). So no, I am not disputing what Alan Rubin is saying. I am totally agreeing with Rubin (And in your accusing attack on stan agreeing with you also) that NWA904 is just another piece of the very beautiful and highly brecciated NWA869. Sincerely DEAN
--- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listDean,
I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled scientists with a Ph.D. and decades of experience over somebody who does not even collect meteorites and is only in it for the money.
Happy Holiday,
Adam
----- Original Message ----- From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
> You know, you can wish all you want that you dont have > a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869 > because thats my number and its the most commonly > accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the moroccans > refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek > martian rainforest, wishing wont make it happen. And > saying that it has to be definatively paired by some > scientist is taking advantage of the well known fact > that scientists are unable to pair thousands of > meteorites scientifically. If you buy 100 kilos of > NWA869 (Which, as you all know, I have done once or > twice) and if there are 2 or 3 kilos of other stuff > mixed in they show up like a sore thumb. This > meteorite is very easy to recogonize. Take a look at > this photo: > http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869samples.jpg > The Hupes do a very good job at polishing their > specimens (Way better than I do) so the shine is not > on my photos like on theirs but if my scan doesnt > convince you that NWA869 is very brecciated then > nothing well. Look at all the inclusions. Look at the > big black spot in the upper piece. > What NWA904 is, is a NWA869 specimen that has all of > high points mixed together in one stone. Only maybe 1 > in 10 pieces has the black spots. I wish that I had a > better piece that looks more like NWA904 by itself but > those pieces always sell very quickly and dont come up > that often and I always try and sell anything that I > have fast and dont put the same effort into making the > specimens pretty like teh hupes does. But most of the > things in NWA904 are in one of the specimens in my > photo. > As far as saying that it is unofficial because it is > not in the bulletin well, so what? Alan Rubin > classified a piece as L4 and then asked for another > piece from the same stone and called it an L5. Rubin > got two different classifications from samples taken > from the same stone. The meteorite has so much stuff > in it that it has some interest among scientists and > rather than take Rubins L5 classification (Taken from > a L5 part of a non brecciated section of this > meteorite - you cant get everything in this meteorite > showing in a 20 gram sample so what do you expect from > a classification taken from one thin section) I have > agreed to send michael zolonsky at JSC a more > representative section of NWA869 than what Rubin was > given. Unfortunately Mr Zolonsky must be away or > something as I have been unable to contact him for > well over a month now (Jeff, do you know when he will > be back?). > As you all know getting classifications is very slow > at the best of times (I am 3 years or more now waiting > on NWA300 and NWA304 for example from the russian > academy of sciences). > So the fact that one of the most exciting and > interesting common chodrites from NWA (Not to mention > easily the most talked about on this list over the > past couple of years) is slow getting published in the > bulletin is not surprising and it certainly dont in > any way lessen the excitement this meteorite has > caused. It certainly dont make recogonizing it any > more hard or easy. > But as we have said NWA904 is a very specific stone > and only that stone can be called NWA904. But NWA904 > is nothing more than a particularly nice meteorite > paired with NWA869. And since it is so nice probably > worth a premium over more "Normal" pieces of NWA869. > But like the boggy creek people, you can bury your > head in the sand like the osterich, but taking > advantage of the fact that no scientist will > scientifically pair 10,000 stones in ones marketing > wont make something true. They are all NWA869s. You > may wish otherwise because you want something more > rare but thats what they are. This is possibly the > most brecciated meteorite ever found. > Sincerely > DEAN > PS: I After writing all of that I cannot resist a > sales pitch to everybody (Nothing - not even > information is free). I have HUNDREDS of NWA869s > listed on my AZTECFEAST ebay user id so buy your > stones now. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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