You are a F^&$^%$ ASSHOLE. How is that for simple statements.
You have made claims about me, and I take that seriously.
Now piss off you piece of crap.
Michael Farmer
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut
Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them.
It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And "nobody" can be summoned to appear in a civil action.
All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action.
Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: "Il ne peut �tre contest� que le d�bat sur les lieux de d�couvertes des m�t�orites est l�gitime et pr�sente un int�r�t scientifique. La m�me l�gitimit� doit �tre reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les op�rations commerciales relatives � ces m�t�orites"
We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ?
For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com
And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson
----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Classen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "La Memoire de la Terre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby?
Hi All,
I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno & Carine. They are having problems to post to the list, and thus they asked me for assistance. Please read below.
BTW, I believe their message to be of major importance to us all. We shouldn't allow a few rotten apples to spoil our hobby - so please read what Bruno & Carine have to say since it affects us all, and a few of us, more directly.
If you want to take action, please contact Bruno & Carine in that matter. You may reach them via: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best, Norbert
-----Original Message-----
Dear List Members,
this subject is of high interest as it will affect all of us including the scientists. What the Pellissons are doing is just unbelievable, they already did contact the French interior Ministry as well as the Customs offices in different countries. They are linking the meteorite community to terrorism in different ways.
They did send to major medias a 64 pages document full of crap with parts of YOUR private and public mails to try to establish that nobody but themselves have the right to sell meteorites!!
Be aware than in a close future we will all have problems shipping or crossing borders with meteorites, thanks to them! Just try a Google search for "money for terrorism" and you will get straight to their page, listed in first place.... see it here:
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=%22money+for+terrorism%22&meta=
They are using metanames and cross linking with pages about horrible things just to attract interest on them.
You all know that we did bring them to court, they already have been sentenced in emergency during the last Tucson show. Now we are driving them to serious things, we received their list of pseudo arguments from our attorneys.
Here is the list of the people they are involving in front of the Judge and the Lyon's Court (the second biggest in France), they are using parts of your public and private emails to try to explain why meteorites (except of their own) are funding terrorism.
Warning: be aware that these documents are used to prove that either you 100% agree with them and support their ideas or that you are involved in funding islamist networks......
Privates: Mr Bernd Pauli Mr Eric Twelker Mr Art Jones Mr Alain Carion Mr Michael Farmer Mr Michel Franco Mr Aziz Habibi Mr Nelson Oakes Mr Bob Verish Mr Greg and Adam Hupe Mr Tracy Latimer Mr Luc Labenne Mr Dean Bessey Mr Matteo Chinellato
Scientists: Dr Zenda Dr Grossman Dr Barrat Dr Treiman Dr Huss Dr Gillet Dr Jambon Dr Bunch the whole Meteoritical Society the AMNH of New York the MNHN of Paris
And this is only a resume of the thing, it would take days to translate the horrors they are building. As an example they are trying to explain that the MNHN of Paris did send Michel Franco to build a new network for funding Al Queda and they sent that to the French medias...
What will be the next step? Child abuse? Drug traffic? If we don't stop them now be sure everybody will get in trouble because of the wonderful hobby we share: meteorites.
As your names and private emails have been used by them in a public court and have been transmitted to medias and Customs offices worldwide, you have the right to ask them a translated copy of the way they are using it, you can urge them by law to stop using your names and mails too....
We stay available if you need further advices.
Sorry to send such a terrible post, but the community should be aware of what is going on.
Sincerely,
Bruno & Carine La Memoire de la Terre Sarl The Earth's Memory LLC France www.meteorite.fr www.fossile.fr
----- Original Message ----- From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SaharaMet Expedition on meteorite impact craters
> This is from the pellison guys who says terrorists are > being supported by you meteorite buyers. > In court in France my own name was used in French > court along with my postings to this list as evidence > that I stated terrorists were being supported by our > meteorite buys. > Now I ask every member of this list? Where in the > archaives do I provide evidence that Al Quada is > supported by our buys? This is pure fabrication and > efforts to drive everybody else out of the desert. I > havent seen the court document but I suspect they have > taken some of the moronic fights about exporting > meteorites illegally from morocco that me, farmer, the > hupes and others have sadly gotten involved in in our > efforts to claim that "My meteorites are better than > your meteorites" (Yes, I am as guilty as anybody in > this "My meteorites are better than your meteorites" > crap even though it is not possible to illegally > export meteorites from morocco because there is no law > in morocco saying that you cant do it - go to your > local moroccan embassy if you want confirmation of > what I am saying here). > My suspicion is that they took things out of context > and misquoted what was said taking things out of > context. > So lets see, we have a dealer who is known to have > deliberately misquoted other people and lied about > what was said in postings. We know that the pelissons > are people with no scruples and have no hessitation > about lying. If they willingly lie in court imagine > what they would tell meteorite collectors. Tell me, is > this the type of person that you would buy a meteorite > from? They lied at least twice. How do you know that > they are not lying when they tell you that they never > bought a NWA in morocco from aid mohammad and instead > of selling it for 20 cents a gram like I would do if I > bought a NWA from aid mohammad, they offer it to you > at $2 a gram as their own find? They lied once in a > very orchastrated court fraud and made up a story that > meteorite funds are supporting terrorism. > Does known fakers really need three strikes to be out? > If you pay more than 15 cents a gram for a pellisson > meteorite you are buying something from people with no > more trustworthyness than dealing with a lot of the > moroccans. The pellisons meteorites have no more known > about them than if you buy my 20 cent NWAs. You dont > know where they are from. > And yes, I really am pissed off because my name was > used in french court in a fabricated court case. > Sincerely > DEAN > > --- SaharaMet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > A new page on our desert trips: > > > > - Mauritanian Sahara expedition > > - Temimichat and Tenoumer impact craters > > - panoramic views of the craters > > (4000x650 pixels) > > - impactites and shocked granitic rocks > > - story of the journey > > > > Go to: > > > > http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/crater.html > > > > Richard & Roland Pelisson > > SaharaMet > > Sahara expeditions and great meteorite discoveries > > http://www.saharamet.com
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