Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy

[Michael Farmer]

Mr. Pellison,
Bruno Fectay and I don't often see eye to eye, neither of us will likely 
send the other a Christmas card, but we agree on one thing, and that is that 
you are the biggest threat to the meteorite world.
I mean come on, Bin Laden actually organizing the meteorite trade in 
Morocco? A guy with tens or hundreds of millions of dollars, and he needs to 
meddle with the pathetic meteorite trade? Please............
        As far as the "kind Nomads" who shared tea with me, they were very 
nice nomads, and as you well know, Nomads are in no shortage anywhere in the 
Moroccan Sahara. They live there, it is not my concern where they live or 
why, there were many of them, I sat in their home, ate their food, played 
with their children.  Are you now suggesting that they are terrorists? Maybe 
they don't like being harassed by military, like most people in the world.
Maybe they don't like that fact that just about every Moroccan soldier or 
policeman want Baksheesh (bribes) for everything from looking at them wrong 
to walking on the side of the road.
Maybe you should seek medical help, you are obsessed with the idea that you 
and only you can find meteorites.

By the way, you have answered absolutely NONE of the questions posed to you 
by many members of this community. Why? No answer usually suggest guilt, or 
lack of a good answer to support your case.
Michael Farmer
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pellisson,the best of hypocrisy

Mr. Fectay, we have still answered about these  points (see below).
But could you explain to the list why when people  make a search on
google.com with the french words :
"Mike Farmer meteorites  illegales"
or
"Alain Carion meteorites illegales"
They arrive on  your answer to a journalist at who you explain  :
http://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/MHinternet/Archives_575/html_575/4rue.html
"vous  pourriez citer d'autres personnes qui, elles n'ont pas de preuves
d'export: Mike  Farmer (météorite lunaire d'un kilo), les frères Pellisson 
qui ont
500 Kg de  météorites marocaines illégales, Alain Carion qui a des centaines
de kilos de  météorites du Maroc, etc. Nous attendons votre réaction avant 
de
saisir l'avocat  de notre société. Pour faire Valoir ce que de droit."
Bruno  Fectay

Perhaps could you translate in English your answer to this  journalist and
share with the list your idea of what is "the best of  hypocrisy"
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About our web page, when we see the  misadventure which happened at Mike
during his last trip, it's natural to ask  the question :
Who are these "kind" nomads who share the tea with him one  day, and the
other day drive at full speed in a military place to escape at a  patrol 
with the
risk to explode in a minefield or to be shoot by another  patrol?

What his the reason of their quick change of attitude when they  have been
discovered at 2 km of the Algeria border, near the mined  wall?
See Mike recent email, title :
[meteorite-list] Morocco new fall  news
We had planned a
careful search, but one of the Moroccans  spotted a military patrol coming
so
we packed up quickly and fled. It  is very flat there, nowhere to hide.
They
chased us for about 2 hours  but we were too far ahead and they could not
catch up, but it was close  enough for me........Mike"

Richard and Roland  Pelisson
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We have put this web  page explaining the  situation of NWA meteorites for
a
good  reason  :
 http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html
1)  the  situation of terrorism is dramatic in Algeria and there is an 
open

link with  contraband. See these recent posts of Mike on the  mailing with
the
title :"Re:  [meteorite-list] news from Algeria"  and "[meteorite-list]
Algeria"
:
>  Yep,  things are getting a little scary out in Islamland.
> Why  anyone  would go to Algeria I dont know. The Army of God terrorist
 group
> is  still hacking people up there on a daily  basis.
> Michel, are you  suggesting that massacres do  not happen in Algeria?
Tens
of
> thousands  are dead  over the decade.
> I can pull up hundreds of articles on the   bombings, entire villages
murdered
> etc.
>  Mike
2)  meteorites bought in Morocco are coming from  Algeria, Libya and up to
Egypt for  their majority. It's the case  of NWA 482 and 2046 of Mike for
example.
And for  his  recent trip, when we see that he has been driven right on 
the
Algeria  border  to find the original seller... for us this seller seems
coming
from Algeria  (nomads with their flocks don't live in a  minefield... in
the
other case, after  one week, there will be no  more flock in live).
3) the potential for  meteorite  prospecting in Morocco is very limited 
and
the border with Algeria  is  officially closed since 1994. For protecting
Morocco
from army  groups coming  from Algeria there's a double wall of earth
created
 by bulldozer and mined : one  million mines !!!. It's a military place
where
it's forbidden to go. It's what  Mike has described in his  recent trip
with the
title :
[meteorite-list]  Morocco new  fall news
> .....That is
> when the Moroccans  told  me that this was a military-only, prohibited
zone,
> and  that we were not  allowed there! I of course got a little concerned
> (especially when we  saw several mine-fields. We were driving
cross-country
> at night with no  lights, only by full  moonlight, (not a safe thing in
an
old
> war zone   where mine-fields are still around).
> The next morning we arrived at  the  tent of the nomad who found the
> pallasite. He led us  there, over the  berm and military fighting
emplacements
 > to the site, Algeria was only  about 2 kilometers  away.......Mike"
So read our web page, you will see  that  it contains lots of things that
dealers have still noticed. But it's  sure  that for us meteorites are 
also
a
world
patrimony  which could be protected under  the UNESCO laws  :
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf
Just  for  comparison : 20 kg of Martian meteorites have been discovered 
in

hot desert by  systematic prospectors who share full  documentation,
photos, GPS
localization...  and only 3 kg have  been discovered by NWA approach.
Coordinates are important to   find paired specimen, a world patrimony is
lost.
Richard and  Roland  Pelisson

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> Let us explain  the French problem with  B.  Fectay/C.
> Bidaut
>
> Bruno   Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March
>  2004 for  libel. It  is
> "only" a civil action between B. Fectay/C.  Bidaut
> and   us to claim for
>  damages.
> Now we are also claiming for damages  against   them.
>
> It will take several months to the  justice  before to
> return a  verdict.
> As you  can imagine, nothing is  illegally done in
> front of the  court  :
> private emails are  not admissible.
>  And  "nobody" can be summoned to  appear in a  civil
>  action.
>
> All the remarks and all the publicity   which  have
> been given to this affair
> are the  consequences  of this civil  action.
>
>  Regarding our web page on NWA  meteorites, the French
>  court  decided in our
> favor:
>  "Il ne peut  être contesté que le débat sur les lieux
>  de  découvertes  des
> météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt
 >  scientifique. La même
> légitimité doit être reconnue pour  les  discussions
> sur  le transport et les
>  opérations  commerciales relatives à ces  météorites"
>
> We hope that  everybody can return to his passion.
 > And we wish  that  those
> interested by the subject  will wait for the official
>   decision.
> And  if Bruno Fectay has something to express why
> does  he needs  to  write
> through N. Classen and not with his own email   ?
>
>
> For those  who want to know more  about us and  our
> work on Saharan
> strewnfields,  you can  browse our web  pages:
>  http://www.SaharaMet.com
>
> And our 2003   expedition  on Mauritanian   craters:
>
 http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html
>
> Best  regards,
> Richard and Roland  Pelisson
>
>
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