Consider what would happen if you had a mess going on. Would you want a whole bunch of private things being broadcast all over the front page of the meteorite community?
You have been accused of some less than glorious events in your past and I doubt that you would relish the broadcasting of that all over the internet.
Before you bitch too much about steve's issues, please ponder what it would be like to have skeletons from closets being dumped on to the world of meteorite collectors. I highly respect the posture of the IMCA not releasing a pile of personal issues about this action.
I think you should respect the decision in realizing they are honest people and accept that fact. Nondisclosure of private issues in in my opinion, is commendable. If steve wanted you to know all of the details, I am quite sure he would tell you too. Think about that. Maybe there are many that do not want you, or others to know these private issues.
Again, there are issues that all of us have that are better off not disclosed to the whole meteorite central list or the collectors list or the IMCA general membership.
Get off the soap box.
Dave Freeman
Michael L Blood wrote:
Hi John,
I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post
stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately.
However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing
about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of
what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a
dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like).
In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to
approach the definition of "gossip." I find it quite disturbing for a
body considering itself "official" to conduct itself in such a manor.
I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was
ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason
(if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed.
I was shocked to hear back from him that "some other people
contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT
is going on. This is the first I have heard of it.... " (this may not be the
exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording,
but that is the exact content of his verbal response).
If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly
doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how "business" is
being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about
its organizational credibility, altogether.
Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a)
rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing.
Are others equally concerned?
Best wishes, Michael
on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
What do we know here?
Jans and I, and others read an email that said Sttttte.... was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately.
Two possibilities:
1. Stttte.... quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction)
What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows...
As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Stttte..'s story sent to Jans.
What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet.
5 more days,
John
-------------- Original message from "Jan Bartels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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Dear List,
I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the list....fun!!
Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with
problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has
happened that really concerns me.
I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any
personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going
on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will
continue the way they are. Someone who has "meteoritepolice" as his
mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really
getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to????? So many
times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting
away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the
IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use
violence!!??....sick....really...sick!!
I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many
more.....
For the real ones....happy collecting!!
Jan
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