I agree with you Rob.

It is the same with the losses in Iraq. The military has accidents every year, even when not at war. Where are the protestors when marines die from hypothermia in a swamp, where are they when men die jumping from an airplane and crash into the desert? Why is it a needless death when they die in Iraq and not when it is a training exercise.

Many in America are bitching about the time it is taking to help the stranded. If I remember correctly they were told to EVACUATE New Orleans. It is not like the problem with the levees is new....THEY HAVE BEEN INADEQUETE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. I do not remember seeing throngs marching in the city prior to the storm TRYING TO ESCAPE, yet they can sure get out in horrible conditions to loot, rob, rape and murder now. If 30,000 people were in the streets trying to evacuate I think someone might have noticed

Why is not the ever present and all knowing Michael Farmer running the damn show if he is so freaking smart? Farmer your mouth is always running about the wrong shit. If you know so damn much get your ass to the region and help our president do it right. Where is all your massive fortune Mike? Lets see a public contribution, other than your witty bullshit here on the list. How many families from the region are living with you? I HAVE AN OFFER ON CRAIGSLIST TO TAKE A FAMILY OF 4.

MIKE, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR A CHANGE.

I do not care what you did in the past...THIS IS HERE AND THIS IS NOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM LATELY?

I do not make enough money to save the world. My family has already donated $300.00, and my brother in law who is the biggest DJ in Arizona on KMLE in Phoenix is on the air raising money and starting a clothes drive. My sons class is taking contributions of school supplies for the children of the disaster including giving up some of there own badly needed supplies. At my office we all paid for a week($2.00 a day) of casual dress(jeans) and this week we will all wear our dress clothes and send the money to the red cross.

YES things were done wrong, and yes they could have been done better....THAT DISCUSSION IS FOR A LATER TIME AND ON ANOTHER LIST.

If anybody HERE thinks you can do better get your boots on the ground...if you can help, then do it. You know that $5.00 is not much today NOT EVEN 2 GALLONS OF GAS, but if all of us sent $5.00 to the Red Cross it will make a difference, all your bitching is doing is wasting air and creating greenhouse gasses.

Our people...AMERICANS, need us now. Later we can get together and discuss what we need to do to fix what happened. Now we just need to open our homes our wallets and our hearts and help....who cares who screwed this up, lets just fix it and hang those that be damned later.

No one on earth could have stopped this storm, no one on earth is responsible for the storm, everyone can have a hand in fixing it.

Alot of people here bitch that there is too much government in America, and then expect that same government to pick their asses up out of the thick of things when ultimately the responsibility for your OWN LIFE RESTS WITH YOU. Next election get out and vote, get involved, your government is YOU when you participate.

Thats my look on the issue. My challenge to everyone is to quit looking for the devil to hang and get your asses in gear, give money, give clothes, start auctions to benefit the people that need it most, offer to take in a family if you can do it. JUST DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENED.

To everyone that has given already...THANK YOU and find a way to give some more.

Thanks for listening, and please find a way to help.

Mark M.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Sterling K. Webb'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability


Sterling makes some excellent points about the psychological
impact of tragic deaths attributed to various flavors of
Mother Nature flexing her muscles.  When it comes to fear and
risk, humans can be very irrational.  They worry about tornadoes,
hurricanes, volcanoes, supervolcanoes, tsunamis, global warming,
airplane crashes, lightning, shark attacks and bear attacks, not
to mention whatever the latest fear of the week might be (e.g.
anthrax, dirty bombs, West Nile virus, Ebola).

The common factor in all of these fears is that the probability
of dying from any one of them is practically zero.  In fact, if
you add up all the probabilities of dying from each of these, the
chances are still next to zero.  But this is what people worry
about because it's reported each and every day on their TV sets.
They think nothing of getting in their cars each day and driving
to and from work (perhaps smoking a cigarette or wolfing down a
supersize meal from their favorite fast-food joint as they do so.)
When 2000 people die from a hurricane-caused flood, that's news.
But 42,000+ people dying in automobile accidents ANNUALLY in
the U.S. alone?  No one cares.  No one is suggesting that we ban
automobiles.  But if there were 42,000 deaths a year from shark
attacks, it would be a different story.

Here's a list of some selected average annual deaths for the
U.S.:

Shark Attack                    1
Roller Skates                  10
Dog Bites                      20
Avalanche                   20-25
Mud/Landslide               25-50
Skydiving                      30
Skiing                         34
Hurricane (1940-1981 avg.)     47
Bee/wasp stings                50
Personal Watercraft            54
Lightning '95                  89
Chickenpox                     90
Needle Sticks                 100
Fire Ants                     100
Flood 40-81                   109
Tornado 40-81                 128
Police Officers 2000          151
Lightning 1940-1981           188
Airline                       200
Car Deer Collisions           211
Campylobacter(chicken)   200-1000
IllImm Mex-US Border '97      300
Childbirth                    302
CJD brain disease         300-400
Heat related illness          318 Newsweek 8/13/01
Struck by trains 1999         530
CO Poisoning                  594
General Aviation              600
Recreational Boating 1996     714
Bicycle 1995                  800
Water borne disease         1,200
CO Poisoning                1,500
Rec Boating 1973            1,754
Motorcycle                  2,500
Car Phone 2002 Harvard      2,500
Subcompact cars NHTSA     2-3,000
EPA Second Hand Smoke       3,000
Fire                        4,500
Drowning                    4,621
Teen car accidents          5,500
Pedestrian accidents        6,000
Occupational Injuries       6,200
Adverse Drug Reactions      7,000
Food Illness                9,000
Skin Cancers                9,733
Bladder Cancer             11,700
Falls                      12,662
Shooting Murder            15,456
Diet related Cancer        16,000
Alcohol Driving            17,126
Influenza                  20,000
AIDS                       20,000
Radon (EPA high)           20,000
Leukemia                   21,000
Suicide 1994               31,142
Prostate Cancer            40,000
Breast Cancer              44,560
Motor Vehicle              50,000
Leukemia & Related         56,000
Colon Cancer               60,000
Medical Mistakes           98,000
Alcohol Related           100,000
Adverse Drug Reactions    106,000 JAMA '98
Trauma                    125,000
Medical Negligence est    150,000
Lung Cancer               158,700
Diabetes related          169,000
Influenza/pneumonia       200,000
Obesity                   300,000
Tobacco related           500,000
Cancer                    500,000
Diseases of heart         733,834
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