Hello Arizona,

I know meteoritemarina personally. I can be a mediator with this case.

I do not think that he doesn't ship meteorite. Anyway they have had a copy fron Finland Post, because the weight of 

parcel more than 2 kilogram.

 When I return back to Russia (after Oct 16th) I should speak with meteoritemarina.

Ivan


Friday, September 30, 2005, 6:15:35 AM, you wrote:


> Hello Ivan and thanks for the information about

> MoneyBookers. That sounds as though that may be

> something worth looking into.



> Cheers




> -John & Dawn

> Arizona Skies Meteorites

http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com




> --- ivanmete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> ---------------------------------


> Hello Arizona, and List!





> I use a new money transfer system, named moneybookers.


> It is the same like PayPal, but has some difference.

> (European online transfer money system, based on UK).





> 1. Sender pay fees, not receiver. Fees is not high, 1%

> of amount but not more than 


> 70 cents or 50 eurocents per transfer.


> PayPal like 30 cents plus 2.9% from amount for

> standard account.





> 2. Moneybookers has an escrow payment: (here is from

> help topic)


> What if the Seller does not ship the items? -


> Funds will not be released to the Seller until the

> buyer has received and approved the items he is 


> purchasing. This eliminates the concern for

> non-shipment of goods. 





> How can an Escrow payment be cancelled? -


> The seller may cancel the transaction at any time and

> the payment and security 


> deposit would then be returned to the buyer. The buyer

> may reject the transaction during the 


> inspection period after receiving the items, but the

> buyer is still responsible for 


> shipping the merchandise back to the seller, and for

> paying any fees. 





> For which purposes can I use Moneybookers Escrow for?

> -


> Our escrow service is ideal for auction payments,

> domain name transfers 


> and any other type of national or international

> trading.





> PayPal :(also from help menu)


> Are you an escrow service? -


> No. We do not provide escrow-related services. We are

> a person-to-person payment service that 


> enables instant and secure electronic payments.





> If you have a new customer or do not trust somebody,

> just use escrow. 


> It is cost something, but you are feeling better.





> When I start use moneybookers, my oversee auctions

> grown up.


> You can add logo of moneybookers to your auctions the

> same way as PayPal does.





> If you are a seller you will get more bids from Europe

> and other oversee, also from countries which PayPal

> doesn't accept.


> Did you know that now there are many Russians (I'm not

> alone) 


> start collect meteorites, but have a difficulties use

> PayPal or other money transfer?


> Moneybookers works for Russia too. 


> Also safe on PayPal fees (and this is a lot!)


> If you a buyer, pay maximum $.70 fee and your seller

> would be happy, because there no fees for seller.





> Learn more about Moneybookers here:


http://www.moneybookers.com/app/?rid=1308477











> Friday, September 30, 2005, 3:45:26 AM, you wrote:





>> Hi Mike and thanks for your post. This should be a


>> warning to EVERYONE! We had the same thing happen on


>> an expensive ebay purchase. The seller kept saying


>> that our order would arrive "soon"...of course it


>> never arrived. By the time we had decided to report


>> the seller to ebay and paypal, it was too late.

> Paypal


>> likes to pretend that they are the "safest" way to

> pay


>> for items, but you are out of luck if the item never


>> arrives or is not as described and you have waited


>> longer than the very limited time they allow you to


>> report a problem. This is why eveyone that uses

> paypal


>> should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS choose their credit

> card


>> as a payment source. Paypal does not like it when

> you


>> do this and they try very hard to trick you into

> using


>> an e-check or a transfer from your bank account.

> Don't


>> fall for this. Always use your credit card as the


>> funding source! That way you can file a chargeback


>> dispute against the seller if you don't receive the


>> merchandise as described. Paypal won't tell you that


>> you can file a chargeback either as they don't want


>> you to know about it. In fact paypal will sometimes


>> actively try to dispute your chargeback as they

> tried


>> unsucessfully in our case. 





>> Another VERY IMPORTANT warning regarding paypal is


>> that  you should always remove ALL of your funds

> from


>> your account BEFORE you pay w/ a credit card.


>> Otherwise, paypal will use all of the funds in your


>> paypal account and only then after the funds are

> used,


>> charge the remaining balance due to your credit

> card.


>> This is what paypal does even when your specifically


>> indicate that you want the purchase to be funded by


>> your credit card. We feel that this is a very


>> misleading practice on the part of paypal, however

> if


>> you read the fine print of your paypal contract very


>> carefully, it states that they can do this. 





>> The final note on this...Fortuntately, on our

> purchase


>> we used our credit card and only lost a small amount


>> of funds from our paypal account. We filed a dispute


>> w/ our credit card company, paypal tried to claim

> that


>> we had received the merchandise (which we had not),


>> and our credit card company credited our account for


>> the full amount of the purchase. The seller was


>> delisted from ebay (he did the same thing to 10-15


>> other buyers), and eventually declared chapter 11


>> bankruptcy!





>> Hope this story along with Mike Miller's serve as a


>> warning for everyone.








>> Cheers











>> -John








>> --- Mike /   flattoprocks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> wrote:





>>>  Hello everyone I  purchased a $1500 item on E-bay


>>> it was an overseas 


>>> purchase and I waited too long to report it to


>>> Pay-Pal or E-bay. I want to 


>>> let everyone know who the seller is and what


>>> happened in case they ever want 


>>> to deal with this person or have a dispute they

> need


>>> resolved. Right now I 


>>> am wondering if it is ok to post the persons  E-bay


>>> name on the list?


>>> Mike Miller  //  E-Bay  flattoprocks


>>> Website // www.meteoritefinder.com


>>> Check out the web site it is up and running!


>>> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Rd. Kingman AZ 86401 


>>> 


>>> 


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> Did you know you could have saved up to 60% on this

> and on all eBay auctions?


http://www.powersnipe.com/?af=kirgudu





> Best regards, 


> finmet on ebay

http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=finmet


> Please check my partners on ebay: 


> aniramq

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZaniramqQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?


> and ataxite

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> Best regards,





> Ivan, finmet           

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Did you know you could have saved up to 60% on this and on all eBay auctions?

http://www.powersnipe.com/?af=kirgudu


Best regards, 

finmet on ebay http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=finmet

Please check my partners on ebay: 

aniramq http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZaniramqQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ200QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?

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Best regards,


Ivan, finmet           

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