I'd have to disagree. the vaule of something is totally dependant upon what
it's WORTH not what it cost to get. Case in point - if you stole a beat up
dodge omni with 600,000miles on it should sentancing reflect the original
cost of sale of the vehical - or the fair market value (probably not even
grand theft for a car like that) or conversely - if we are going to go by
production cost - I'll have to go and steal me a few 1933 st gaudens double
eagles. it only cost the government a few $ to make each one of um and they
are worth what 7 or 8 million each...
sure the guys involved deserved to do hard time for that kind of theft, but
using the aquisition cost of the rock just simply doesnt make sense imho.
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"MARK BOSTICK"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Value of Nationalized Meteorites
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:39:38 -0700
Car you crazy Dean? Those stones are priceless! The USA spent billions of
$$$ to go there and get them, so you cant put a market value on them.
The bastards deserve every second they have rotting in prison. I cant
believe one of them is dumb enough to break the rules so bad they got sent
to a Supermax prison, that is where the worst of the worst go. Shows he
must be a little more than a petty thief.
Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Value of Nationalized Meteorites
I wonder who the 3 "Individuals who buy and sell
meteorites" are:
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The meteorites, martian samples and lunar samples
taken in the theft of the safe from my lab at NASA's
Johnson Space Center were appraised by three
individuals who buy and sell meteorites.
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Obviously they are a little out of touch with the
meteorite market and cant differentiate between if .03
gram and several pounds were released. I still
remember how chessagny was considered by everybody to
be worth $100,000 a gram until steve Arnold traded for
half a gram driving the price to I believe $10,000.
As some people might say on the list I suspect that 3
or 4 grams would put their estimated "price in ruin".
Those people who got put in jail for years based on
stealing meteorites with a market value so hi surely
got ripped off during sentensing if the prisen term
would have been lighter if the actual price that the
meteorites could have been sold at in the market was
taken into account rather than a theoritical valuation
that has no resemblence to reality.
Cheers
DEAN
--- MARK BOSTICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello list,
Dr. Everett Gibson, who is not a list member, did
have a few comments along
our discussion, which he is once again is kindly
letting me share with the
group.
The meat on the pricing related here is: ~103 grams
for 7-8 million on the
low side, to ~234 million on the high side. Which
is $70,000-80,000 a gram,
to a little over 2 million a gram.
Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
www.meteoritearticles.com
Mark,
The meteorites, martian samples and lunar
samples taken in the theft
of
the safe from my lab at NASA's Johnson Space Center
were appraised by three
individuals who buy and sell meteorites. The
monetary values determined by
the
three appraisers was used in the trial of Gordon
McWhorter and the
sentencing
hearing for Thad Roberts. I would prefer not to
give the monetary values
determined by the appraisers but I can tell you the
value for the ALH84001
sample was staggering.
The attorneys argued over whether the cost of
the Apollo program
should
be "figured" into the value of the lunar samples.
The monetary value of
the
samples figured into the length of the sentences
given the defendants.
Taking the weight of the 53 different lunar samples
stolen (~103 grams total
weight stolen) along with the mass of returned lunar
samples from the six
Apollo
missions, and costs for the missions. The top
value of the appraised
material
came to ~$234 million dollars. The lower value was
in the $7 to 8 million
dollar range-excluding selected Apollo mission costs
. The actual numbers
are
in the court testimony which I have not seen because
as a witness I was
excluded from that testimony.
As a side light, McWhorter was found guilty
and sentenced to ~60 or 70
months in federal custody. He is currently in the
Fort Worth Federal
Mental
Facility and is not scheduled to be released until
April 2008. Thad
Roberts
was sentenced to 90 months federal custody. His
last appeal (based on his
belief that he was sentenced too harshly) has just
been denied within the
past
two months. He has recently been transferred from
the medium level
security
facility in Florence, CO to the Super Maximum
Security Facility (SUPER-MAX!)
in
Florence, CO because of failing to obey the rules.
Roberts is scheduled to
be released the end of January 2009.
Everett
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