Hi all -
We're ignoring the important issues of display and
presentation here.
I seem to remember that Dean had imbedded the specks
in $100 lucite cubes. Way too expensive for young
people, who sometimes loose things.
While the little glass tubes that Greg Hupe used will
fit well in little hands, I am worried about the
glass, which limits the age of the recipient.
I seem to remember little plastic boxes with
magnifying lenses built into the top of them, but I
don't think these would be very elegant/pretty, and
the tubes are better.
Some kind of flat embossed plastic holder with a
magnifier molded into it might be ideal, say a blank
one on which labels could be printed on a computer and
then applied.
What kind of presentation do you think would be ideal
for Bessey Specks?
There's a lot of lunar and martian dust being created
by slicing NWAs, and it might as well be put to a very
good use.
good hunting,
Ed
--- tracy latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For myself, I've always considered a Bessey Speck to
be anything smaller
than a match head or grain of rice. Adequate to
fill in a space in a
collection where larger samples are unavailable or
prohibitively expensive,
but no good for seeing lithologies without a
microscope or 10x lens,
minimum.
Tracy Latimer
>From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: MexicoDoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Adam Hupe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: Meteorite List
<[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re
"Bessey Specks"
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:25:43 -0700
>
>Doug and all,
> This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey
Speck" a specimen
>must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in
the smallest
>sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of
sizes) and should
>be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone
with less than 20/20
>vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to
differentiate from what Adam
>referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large
as 1" X 1" !
>"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1
X 1 - though this
>has been "challenged" with the considerably larger,
yet still small
>membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider
"micromount"
>as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those
that would
>fit in a 2" X 2" box.
> Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY
small to qualify,
>and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
> I regret I must run off to teaching a
couple of classes - this is
>much more interesting to me than arguments.
> Michael
>
>
>on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hello Adam, Listees,
> >
> > Bessey Speck
> > (1) A commercially marketed,
submillimeter-sized, granular or
>irregular,
> > intentionally broken petreus meteoritical
fragment which collectors
>prize as
> > a token possession of an expensive meteorite or
of one with limited
> > distribution, typically used more as a
conversational piece or to
> > satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
instinct for collection and
> > coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession
of the parent specimen.
> > Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb",
"Micro" and "Micromount".
> > (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
originating from a larger
>(macro)
> > meteorite specimen.
> >
> > Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to
Ed in the sense that
>the
> > term micromount is a term in the toolbox,
although I think the word
>particle
> > is more descriptive for most of our uses. I am
agreeing with Michael
>Blood
> > that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
> >
> > The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck"
seems like a much more
> > descriptive term to me than micromount for many
collectors. To me a
> > "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand
plan of scientific
> > investigation or illustration of specific
attributes. Size alone
>doesn't
> > count, as much as purpose. For example,
Stardust particles are not
> > micromounts unless prepared that way despite
Adam's definition, and they
>are
> > not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies
are certainly
>hypothetically
> > possible.
> >
> > "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
commercially sold in
>venues
> > like eBay find scientific use regardless of who
is doing the selling.
>That's
> > where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting
term. Adam's definition
> > clearly has the weighted meaning toward a
usually higher "scientific"
>use in
> > observing material properties: appreciation with
binocular microscope,
> > better developed crystals, etc... The short
comment in that definition
> > "obtaining for less," especially given the
profit and pleasure motives
> > between buyers and sellers, really seems quite
out of place to me.
>Adam's
> > post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he
disagreed with the use of the
>term
> > Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an
alternate (which I definitely
>agree
> > with Adam in doing).
> >
> > I am not comfortable with the term micromount
being more properly used
>for
> > specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
with a sledge for the
> > unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
filling holes in their
> > collections, a majority of which are not "better
appreciating" their
>samples
> > in a binocular microscope which many don't have
nor have too much
>motivation
> > to get.
> >
> > Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's
Mars rock sales many years
> > before most of our times? I am trying to
remember Kevin Kitchinka's
> > comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting"
(don't have handy here)
>where
> > an explanation of the etymology of this colorful
term was published and
>my
> > Mars' comment references. Bessey Specks,
though, gets the point across
>much
> > better for me! It's ll in the intended use and
market. While I don'
>think
> > a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense
description for something
>not
> > carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some
characteristic, heck - if
> > their not even carefully mounted...
> >
> > So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in
this fashion, that is
>my 2
> > centavos.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey
Specks"
> >
> >
> > The term micromount has been used for decades to
describe this type of
> > specimen.
> >
> > Micromount:
> >
> > Micromount is term used by mineral collectors
and rockhounds to describe
> > mineral specimens that are best appreciated
using a binocular
>microscope.
> > Micromount specimen collecting has a number of
advantages, specimens
>take up
> > less space, rare minerals can be obtained for
less and smaller crystals
>are
> > more perfectly developed.
> >
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
> >
> >
> >> Hi Michael, list -
> >>
> >> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
> >>
> >> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla
specks,
> >> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> >> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
> >>
> >> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant
term than
> >> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have
any
> >> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage)
Bessey
> >> going to be immortalized by having these
formally
> >> named after him?
> >>
> >> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
> >> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice
pair of
> >> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for
the
> >> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
> >> capsules.
> >>
> >> Perhaps microscope slides would be more
suitable for
> >> adult use, but as I don't remember any
discussion of
> >> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
> >>
> >> good hunting -
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
> >>> This post includes a fabulous, large
iron
> >>> and an entire new
> >>> page of historic calls.
> >>>
> >>> FIRST:
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piece that
> >>> appears for all
> >>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side
and a
> >>> flat, oriented
> >>> specimen heading to the left in a downward
angle on
> >>> the other side.
> >>> This piece includes an custom build
display
> >>> stand to facilitate
> >>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
> >>> If no one snaps this up on sale it
will go
> >>> into my catalog
> >>> at $3,250- but the first to contact me will
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> >>> in this sale for 2,750-
> >>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside
the
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> >>> This spectacular piece can be seen
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> SECOND:
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> >>> meteorites that have
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This is
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falls
> >>> in history. I have 35
> >>> different recorded falls (including Bessey
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> >>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
> >>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be
found
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> >>> as anyone's. The others
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> >>> below:
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked
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> >>> orders come in
> >>> so, if it is still listed when you email me,
it is
> >>> available.
> >>>
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> >>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
> >>> Happy Hunting! Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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