Hi, Ed, Rob,

   This scenario (Ed's) would require that we would
find a chondrule with a formation age of 3.9 Gya, I
think. As far as I know, that has never happened.

   All chondrites (so called because they contain
chondrules) are the same age: "about" 4.555 Gya.
Chondrules are the same age (2 to 5 million years variation among chondrules) as the chondrites they occur in. The "about" is because the dating methods have a limit to how precisely they can resolve small age differences.

   Dating by lead isotopes says the solar system
is 4.560 +/- 0.005 Gya old. Other systems of isotope measurements (like 147Sm/143Nd) give 4.553 +/- 0.003,
and so forth. Within the limits of measurement, all
chondrites are the same age, a hair younger than the
solar system itself, the Class of Zero, and so are their
chondrules.

   Meteorites that do not (never did) contain chondrules
have varying ages. Lunaites are the age of that portion
of the lunar crust they came from, generally quite old
compared to Martians which have the "formation age" of the basalt flow they were chipped off of for the long haul to Earth. Irons, which formed inside a differentiating body, have younger ages; some very much younger if the differentiation took a long time (Weekeroo Station IIe is 4.340 Gya, Kodaikanal IIe 3.800 Gya, many IAB irons the same).

   I'm thinking that before you need to develop a theory
to explain a 3.9 Gya chondrule, you'd have to actually
have a 3.9 Gya chondrule. As far as I know, none with discordant ages have ever been found. In certain solar circles it would be Big News.

   Oddly, if you Google for "oldest chondrule," you get
the oldest chondrules, and if you Google for "youngest chondrule," you get the oldest chondrules... on the grounds that it is "young" as the solar system. If you Google for "discordant chondrule age," you get arguments over 2 or 3 million years in the age of something 4-1/2 billion years old.
Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message ----- From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation mechanism (Info Please)


Hi Rob -
You noticed the contradiction in cooling periods as
well.

What I am thinking is that there was at least one
larger parent body which was "disrupted" about 3.9 Gya
(at time of LPBE).  When this larger parent body was
disrupted, then the "effervescent" "foaming" that led
to some chondrules occured - sudden cooling, as
gravitation pressure had been released, and much lower
local gravity. Local processes suddenly take over - a
sharp gravitational and pressure transition, and a
sudden cooling. Gross processes - perhaps sufficiently
gross to overwhelm other small forces.

Through collisions of the resulting fragments, we see
some of the meteorite types we see today.

good hunting, Ed



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