Dave, The term Steve used is "St. Paddy's Day." He did not call anybody a "paddy." He not refer to any ethnicity nor nationality. He used the closest English language transliteration of a person's actual name as pronounced by the people of the nation of which he (Padric or Padraigh, not Steve) is the patron saint, and the term most frequently used by those individuals to whom it matters most.
Do you have similar views about Dewi Sant? "Dewi" is pronounced "Davy" and refers to the patron saint of Wales, Saint David, feast celebrated on March 1 (and which 87% of the Welsh people say ought to be a holiday). Am I gonna be in big trouble if I ask you if you had a good St. Davy's Day? And if offensive is not defined by usage, linguistic origin, historical application, the intent of the speaker, nor the acceptability to those potentially offended, what in blue blazes does define "offense"? You? And if imaginary registration in a roll of inherently offensive terms, without the application of history, language, usage, and feelings as requirements, is not an example of the most mindless PC Culture, then nothing is. Where can I obtain a copy of this totally authoritative but mystically known-only- to-you list of offenses? Can I find it on the internet, write off for it, or do I have to consult the nearest flaming shrubbery? Sterling K. Webb ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Carothers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites forsale (AD) Sterling, Mike, and all, Go back and read my post again. I did not "bash" Steve. I merely stated that he needed to be careful using a term that is deemed offensive. NOTHING MORE! Don't make more of this than it is. Whether you personally are of Irish ancestory or not, is not the issue. It is not a "PC" issue and it has nothing to do with whether a group of people are in the "majority" or not. The term is still offensive and polite people do not use the term. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dave Carothers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites forsale (AD) > Dave, > > Don't let the desire to bash Steve carry you away. > > As the descendent of more Irish than you could count > on your fingers even if you had binary digits, from folks > who left County Monaghan in 1627 to great-grandparents > who left A Habegh Lichagh in County Kerry in the > 1880's and a pair of uncles who had to flee a death > sentence after The Easter Uprising, I have the distinct > pleasure of informing you that the Erse (Irish, or Gaelic) > name that is Anglicized as Patrick is PADRIC. > > That third letter isn't a T-sound exactly but it isn't a > D-sound exactly either, and typing this all in the Roman > alphabet is a mistake, too, because Gaelic has its OWN > alphabet, so we just have to limp along with Anglicizations > that are only partially transliterative of the original. I would > use Gaelic in this email except it would then be a violation > of List Rules and you would need to have the Extended > Latin 8 character set installed on your PC (ISO/IEC > 8859-14) and a font that implemented it. > > Dave, give it rest. Have another beer. I do not doubt > that one could find a Wild Gael who is willing to > quarrel about a name, but one can find a Wild Gael > who is willing to quarrel about almost anything. No, > make that anything. Period. > > In a word, nobody cares. > > Besides, Saint PADRIC was a Welshman, anyway... > > > Sterling K. Webb, > Who has a great long Gaelic name all his owen, which > he nivier uses except as his password for things like > banks, credit cards, and PayPal, because that way he > knows that he'll nivir be robbed ner swindled by any > but a Good Irish Thief! Or, possibly someone from > the West of the Kingdom of the Scots, or an Eccentric > Welshman or maybe even a Sociopathic Polyglot... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Carothers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "steve arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites forsale (AD) > > > Steve, > > As always, you need to be a lot more careful in how you word your emails. > The term "paddy" is a dispariging term (an offensive term) for a person of > Irish descent. > > Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites forsale (AD) > > >> Good afternoon list.I hope everyone had a great >> st.paddy's day.I listed 10 meteorites on my website >> forsale at real low prices.I am saving up to buy more >> gao stones.I will pay for shipping.So view at your >> liesure and let me know off list. >> >> >> >> >> >> STEVE ARNOLD >> >> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! >> Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! >> www.chicagometeorites.net >> Ebay I.D. 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